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Question about God

Beard-A-Bear

New Member
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.

Within Heathenry, it's commonly held that the universe existed in some form before the Gods arose. Many Heathens also see the Gods as conscious emanations or manifestations of natural forces. We see these ideas in our lore and in historical accounts. Thus, your question doesn't make much sense to us.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Within Heathenry, it's commonly held that the universe existed in some form before the Gods arose. Many Heathens also see the Gods as conscious emanations or manifestations of natural forces. We see these ideas in our lore and in historical accounts. Thus, your question doesn't make much sense to us.

No, no and **** no!
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.
I'm not sure "make up" is the right term; when we are "making things up" we are emulating with our minds and bodies the original act of Creation. This is why many Abrahamic traditions forbid making human images, it's like trying to replicate the feat that made us. I prefer to think of creativity as participation rather than hubris, though; joining in with the ongoing process of creation.

As for energy and time, there was a point- a singularity or monad - where/when they simply were not; even from a strictly scientific and materialist perspective, this seems to be true. There's talk in some circles about a theoretically infinite universe, but not time and matter, which are properties of this iteration of the universe; if they existed in previous ones, they likely followed entirely different rules, because we know that matter and energy are at least partially properties of the big bang itself. For about, 10^-34 of a second, matter didn't even exist after the big bang.

Adapting this sort of thought to religious matters, I see both matter and energy as essentially emanations of the same source, whose properties only exist in tension with one another and whose existence are coterminous with the One who births it all. They always existed in the sense that the their Source has always existed, but they have not always been defined or separated into separate properties, characteristics, gods and stories and places, etc. Like asking whether a character existed before I wrote them into a novel; they were always a part of my mind and experiences, but they only became a part of the story when I wrote them in.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.

Creation itself is an attempt to explain the situation in human terms. Creation is a human concept specifying that a matter doesn't exist at a point of time but exists at a later point of time. The conception thus is confined by the concept of time.

So in order for God to say that "I can't explain to you in an absolute term without using the human concept of creation, I have to explain it in an unspeakable term", the Bible describes the situation as "God speaks it into existence".
 

susanblange

Active Member
What makes it more confusing is God made time.But before he made time everything was at 0.I do not get how that works.:confused:
Time is circular. The beginning and end are one in the same, the first and the last, Alpha and Omega. One spin on the earth's axis is one day, one rotation of the moon around the earth is one month, one orbit of the earth around the sun is one year. Genesis 1:14. "...Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years". Time had a beginning, but it has no end. What may be easier to comprehend is its numeric equivalent-infinity. You can always add another digit onto a number.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.

To me, God can make anything. And physics says that there are other dimensions with possibly other qualities besides energy, matter and time. We live in 3 dimensions but there are many more. It is all so very interesting.
 

susanblange

Active Member
To me, God can make anything. And physics says that there are other dimensions with possibly other qualities besides energy, matter and time. We live in 3 dimensions but there are many more. It is all so very interesting.
God is also the Forces in nature. Gravitation, Electromagnetism, and the Nuclear forces, strong and weak. Daniel 11:38. "But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces..."
 

arthra

Baha'i
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.

An eminent Baha'i writer John Esslemont wrote:

"Bahá'u'lláh teaches that the universe is without beginning in time. It is a perpetual emanation from the Great First Cause. The Creator always had His creation and always will have. This is in harmony with the teachings of science regarding the conservation of matter and energy. Worlds and systems may come and go, but the universe remains."

(SOW - Star of the West, Star of the West - 5)
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
This is one poorly designed toxic universe. The universe is mostly uninhabitable. By way of one long ,fine string of miracles we exist.

Somewhere far shorter than God, and just above intelligent is the reason for our existence. Nature is an insane, savage superintelligence or we all are one giant fluke of physics.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
If God had to make up energy and matter and time. Were was energy and matter and time before God made them?:confused: I am asking all religions at the same time what they think.

Where was energy, matter and time before God made them? I would think that they did not exist before God. To me, God created them because it would take God to create existence. God is pure energy and timeless. We are matter, time and space. There are also other manifestations of reality which we cannot even conceive. Quantum physics/mechanics has stated that there are many dimensions beyond our own. We are but two dimensional beings to other dimensional beings. For those who do not wish to believe in quantum mechanics, I would state that Heaven or Paradise would be an alternative dimension. I do not believe that other things were before God but God was before other things.
 

Wasp

Active Member
God created them of course. Do you suppose He was dependent on something to be able to create?

God is not limited by time. He created time. He could stop time or reverse time if that was His will.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
Where was energy, matter and time before God made them? I would think that they did not exist before God. To me, God created them because it would take God to create existence. God is pure energy and timeless. We are matter, time and space. There are also other manifestations of reality which we cannot even conceive. Quantum physics/mechanics has stated that there are many dimensions beyond our own. We are but two dimensional beings to other dimensional beings. For those who do not wish to believe in quantum mechanics, I would state that Heaven or Paradise would be an alternative dimension. I do not believe that other things were before God but God was before other things.
I meant 3 dimensional.
 
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