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Jesus Contradictions

Spartan

Spartan

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rstrats said:
Spartan,
re: "10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship."

What scripture are you using to make that statement?
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"Sunday was the day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, an act that forever separated Christianity from any other religion (John 20:1). Since that time, believers have gathered on the first day of the week to celebrate His victory over sin and death (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). Even though the Sabbath day was designated by God as a holy day, Jesus demonstrated that He was Lord over the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8)." What is the Lord’s day?

Of course Jewish believers are now called Messianic Jews. And they meet Sunday, or on the Sabbath. Their call.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Hubert Farnsworth said:
John 8:14: "If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid."
John 5:31: "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid."

John 7:7: "The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil."
John 15:19: "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."

John 15:12: "My command is this: love each other as I have loved you."
Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."

John 14:27: "Peace I leave with you. My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
Matthew 10:34: "Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Matthew 10:5: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."
Matthew 28:19: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations."

Matthew 5:16: "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
Matthew 6:1: "Take care not to do your good deeds publicly or before men, in order to be seen by them; otherwise you will have no reward with and from your Father who is in heaven."
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I'm not a Christian by any stretch, but I can tell you that pointing out contradictions in Christian Scripture is almost never productive. This is because Christians are endlessly reinterpreting and/or "spiritualizing" what was written. They do not agree among themselves about what is said, so they almost certainly will not agree with your take.
 
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rstrats

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Spartan,
re: "Sunday was the day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, an act that forever separated Christianity from any other religion (John 20:1)."

John 20:1 doesn't say when the resurrection took place.



re: ""Since that time, believers have gathered on the first day of the week to celebrate His victory over sin and death..."

Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first.

The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place.

And the Acts reference says nothing about a meeting for the purpose of observing the resurrection. Paul happened to be in town and apparently wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again.

With regard to 1 Corinthians 16:2, nothing is said about meeting on the first day of the week. The text merely says that everyone should "lay by him in store" on the first day of the week. The Wemouth reads: "Let each of you put on one side and store up at his home". Ballantine's Translation reads: "Let each of you lay up at home". The Syriac on this passage reads: "Let every one of you lay aside and preserve at home". And the New Catholic Edition of the Bible reads: "....let each one of you put aside at home and lay up whatever he has a mind to". This verse says nothing about going to services on the first day or even getting together on the first day.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Spartan said:
I'm sure you won't try to understand them either, or the explanations that refute a great many of them.
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Christianity isn't quite like Dogen. You can have a full contradiction and a full resolution of that contradiction.

I doubt Christians however would be willing to admit there's actual contradictions within the biblical narratives.
 
Spartan

Spartan

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Nowhere Man said:
Christianity isn't quite like Dogen. You can have a full contradiction and a full resolution of that contradiction.

I doubt Christians however would be willing to admit there's actual contradictions within the biblical narratives.
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There's no contradictions in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All four Gospels confirm it as do various epistles. Any alleged contradictions regarding the resurrection have to deal with events AFTER the event. And even those are not compelling.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Spartan said:
There's no contradictions in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All four Gospels confirm it as do various epistles. Any alleged contradictions regarding the resurrection have to deal with events AFTER the event. And even those are not compelling.
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A lot of the contridictions involved historicy, such as Pontius Pilate's rank and the timing of King Herod's reign for instance for which the biblical accounts are out of sync.


The biggest contradiction is Pauline Christianity dealing with Paul's conversion.
 
Spartan

Spartan

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Nowhere Man said:
The biggest contradiction is Pauline Christianity dealing with Paul's conversion.
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Let me see your case. Paul was a persecutor of Christians one day and then he started to preach the Gospel. To say he didn't have a conversion experience seems pretty far fetched.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Spartan said:
Let me see your case. Paul was a persecutor of Christians one day and then he started to preach the Gospel. To say he didn't have a conversion experience is far fetched.
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Matthew 24:23

Acts 9 : 1 through 22.

Either the second coming had already occurred , or Pauline Christianity is a fraud.

Either way it'll contradict Christianity in general.
 
Spartan

Spartan

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Nowhere Man said:
Matthew 24:23

Acts 9 : 1 through 22.

Either the second coming had already occurred , or Pauline Christianity is a fraud.

Either way it'll contradict Christianity in general.
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No. That's a case of false alternatives.

Jesus said there would be a number of signs that proceeded his second coming, including the Gospel being preached to all the world, the establishment of the third Jewish temple, and an increase in natural disasters and pestilences. In addition, when Jesus returns the whole world will know about it, not just Paul. Read Matthew 24.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Spartan said:
No. That's a case of false alternatives.

Jesus said there would be a number of signs that proceeded his second coming, including the Gospel being preached to all the world, the establishment of the third Jewish temple, and an increase in natural disasters and pestilences. In addition, when Jesus returns the whole world will know about it, not just Paul. Read Matthew 24.
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Nope. That's one fatal contradiction you can't get out of.

Paul was said to have met Jesus contrary to Matthew 24:23 , for which, for those who think it's valid, will have to say that Jesus already came back, or if not, then Pauline Christianity is invalid with the rest of the scriptures because Paul believed the one he spoke to was Christ for which the instructions were explicitly laid out for people not to believe that.
 
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Spartan

Spartan

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Nowhere Man said:
Nope. That's one fatal contradiction you can't get out of.

Paul was said to have met Jesus contrary to Matthew 24:23 , for which, for those who think it's valid, will have to say that Jesus already came back, or if not, then Pauline Christianity is invalid with the rest of the scriptures because Paul believed the one he spoke to was Christ for which the instructions were explicitly laid out for people not to believe that.
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Nope. But believe whatever you want.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Brickjectivity said:
On RF we occasionally get people wandering through asking us whether they have blasphemed or not, because they don't know. To be sure if we had blasphemed would probably require knowing what we were talking about, but maybe not. It seems a very poorly defined concept and one that appears in the Bible as something we're supposed to already understand. I read the common definitions on the internet, but they don't match up with the usage in Exodus 20:27 where some people blasphemed by being unfaithful. Like many other terms, if we are simple Bible readers its just left for people to guess at the meanings. Is that blasphemy. Is this blasphemy? Is every sin blasphemy?

Is it blasphemy for example when a priest abuses their authority? Is it blasphemy to skip church to watch a football game? Is it blasphemy to say "Oh Gawd" once in a while? Is it blasphemy to criticize the pope or a cardinal? Is it blasphemy to laugh about circumcision? Is it blasphemy to have communion with a pigeon? Is it blasphemy to tell a dirty joke with a nun in it? On and on. Its not well defined.
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I believe it is saying that God is something that He is not. Saying that He is inconsistent is blasphemy.
 
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