The Christian Right Is Going All Out to Make Sure Donald Trump Gets Re-Elected

Enoch07 · Jun 25, 2019

siti said:
Show me on the second chart where the economy was "tanking" in 2016.

I circled it in red for ya.

siti said:
Every picture tells a story...and these tell the exact opposite story to yours...

We can add chart comprehension to your growing list of inept skills.

siti said:
Show me on the first chart where unemployment was "through the roof" in 2016.

The red line is the % of unemployed. The blue line is the dates. As you can clearly see now that I have explained to you how charts work. The unemployment % has decreased dramatically since 2016.

oldbadger · Jun 25, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Lefty describes far left or extreme left. It doesn't not cover centrist, center left, or moderate left.

Oh...... how moderate of you.

I'm well aware. Nobody wants to go to war. But when a country like Iran is constantly trying to pick fights war talk will always loom near.

Wake up.
A large % of the Conservative, fundy Christian, Rightistist mob were, have been and are screaming for bombs and destruction.
And you've been whining about the humane moderates who are calling out against it.

Y'all - Wikipedia

Culture yourself.

Wake up. You referred to me, what I have been doing, and thinking, and saying, and putting words and actions in my mouth.
Wake up

The hypocrisy of the lefts ability to claim Trump is a warhawks one day when they think wa is coming, then the very next day after war is avoided, they claim he is a dove. Yes, that hypocrisy is hilarious!!

Let's see it!
Let's see any reports of Democrats criticising Trump for being a Dove.

Let's have a laugh on you. Eh?

Citation please.

Enoch07 · Jun 25, 2019

oldbadger said:
Wake up.
A large % of the Conservative, fundy Christian, Rightistist mob were, have been and are screaming for bombs and destruction.
And you've been whining about the humane moderates who are calling out against it.

No I've just been pointing out hypocrisy is all.

oldbadger said:
Wake up. You referred to me, what I have been doing, and thinking, and saying, and putting words and actions in my mouth.
Wake up

Are you asleep? Why so you keep saying wake up? If you don't understand why I said y'all by now there is no point trying to dumb it down any further.

oldbadger said:
Let's see it!
Let's see any reports of Democrats criticising Trump for being a Dove.

Here is the Hill a left leaning media source.

trump dove

Not too mention before Trump talked with N.Korea the Dems accuse him of rhetoric trying to start a war with N.Korea, then after he worked it out without war, they turned on him again and said "Trump was too soft on N.Korea!"

It is hilarious!

oldbadger said:
Citation please.

Certainly, I can at least back up my facts.

oldbadger · Jun 25, 2019

Enoch07 said:
No I've just been pointing out hypocrisy is all.

Are you asleep? Why so you keep saying wake up? If you don't understand why I said y'all by now there is no point trying to dumb it down any further.

Here is the Hill a left leaning media source.

Not too mention before Trump talked with N.Korea the Dems accuse him of rhetoric trying to start a war with N.Korea, then after he worked it out without war, they turned on him again and said "Trump was too soft on N.Korea!"

It is hilarious!

Certainly, I can at least back up my facts.

You're spewing political bulldust, mate.

A whole mass of Republicans are seriously fed up with Trump for not reducing Iran in bombing strikes.

If anything, He's gained a few Democrat sympathisers.

I think you talk twaddle.

Enoch07 · Jun 26, 2019

oldbadger said:
I think you talk twaddle.

Gotta love projection.

I'm done here. When ya start responding with nonsense that's when I know I've beaten ya.

Toodles

Kangaroo Feathers · Jun 26, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Gotta love projection.

I'm done here. When ya start responding with nonsense that's when I know I've beaten ya.

Toodles

Talk about projection!

siti · Jun 26, 2019

Enoch07 said:
We can addd chart comprehension to your growing list of inept skills.

Oh dear, oh dear! Look at the first chart again and this time at 2016 not 2015...growth was on an upward trend throughout the first half of the year and the latest figures as polling day approached were above 2% - roughly the average year on year over the ten plus years of what will, come July, be the longest economic recovery in US history - if voters made up their minds based on "reports" that claimed the economy was "tanking" I don't think its me that needs to improve in chart comprehension.

And if you check above the blue line you have drawn and follow the trend in unemployment between 2015 and 2018 (say) you will note that it actually fell more sharply in Obama's last two years than it did in Trump's first two.

I don't for a minute think that any of this has too much to do with who is or was President (Presidents don't run the economy - although I suppose they could ruin it - but I don't think either Obama or Trump has done that - yet - but if deficit spending continues to rise as it has throughout both of their Presidencies, they might ultimately have to share responsibility for doing so) - but you claimed that people voted for Trump to "fix" the economy and unemployment...if that is true, then they were surely misinterpreting the data.

So - as far as I can tell - what you seem to be saying is that the reason why Christians voted for Trump (and will again) is because they don't understand who runs the economy.

I suspect there might be other issues involved.

Enoch07 · Jun 26, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Talk about projection!

It was indeed. Just like your doing now.

Enoch07 · Jun 26, 2019

siti said:
Oh dear, oh dear! Look at the first chart again and this time at 2016 not 2015...growth was on an upward trend throughout the first half of the year and the latest figures as polling day approached were above 2% - roughly the average year on year over the ten plus years of what will, come July, be the longest economic recovery in US history - if voters made up their minds based on "reports" that claimed the economy was "tanking" I don't think its me that needs to improve in chart comprehension.

You made an error though.

The voters in 2016 wouldn't have access to 2016 data, just the 2015 data. In which the economy was tanking. The 2015 and before data is what they had to go on.

siti said:
And if you check above the blue line you have drawn and follow the trend in unemployment between 2014 and 2018 (say) you will note that it actually fell more sharply in Obama's last two years than it did in Trump's first two.

The trend is consistent in all honesty. Both had ups and downs but about the same slope. Trumps plateaus out near 4% which is expected. It's almost impossible to get unemployment below 4%, so that's usually the bottom number and realistically where it will stay hopefully.

siti said:
So - as far as I can tell - what you seem to be saying is that the reason why Christians voted for Trump (and will again) is because they don't understand who runs the economy.

Do tell.

Who does run the economy then?

siti said:
...if that is true, then they were surely misinterpreting the data.

It's hard to misinterpret not having a job under Obama and struggling, then to have a job under Trump and life is good.

Shad · Jun 26, 2019

Father Heathen said:
So if someone caught a vegan known for being very vocal and sanctimonious eating a steak, they shouldn't point out this hypocrisy unless they too were vegan?

The whole degenerate line had me laughing considering it was a right-wing talking about a few years ago. It is hilarious seeing the use of such projection when it was rejected in the past.

Enough with these ridiculous, half-assed straw men and offer me a real argument for once.

A real argument for what? So far all people are doing is speculating and using their imagination.

Shad · Jun 26, 2019

Skwim said:
Are you suggesting the right is somehow more pure. The leader of the right, the President of the United States, YOUR hero, speaks.

Nope. I just found it hilarious that such an argument is being made.

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Oh no foul language commenting on trying to get laid and failing. Oh no he pointed out people get plastic surgery. Oh no he commented on sluts as if they do not exist.

Meanwhile which candidate stayed with a proven cheater? I will await your thread when you apply your standard to those that you support.

Father Heathen · Jun 26, 2019

Shad said:
The whole degenerate line had me laughing considering it was a right-wing talking about a few years ago. It is hilarious seeing the use of such projection when it was rejected in the past.

the religious right has lumped all sexual activity together that wasn't between married hetero couples solely for the sake of procreation as degenerate. Liberals have defended sexual liberty, I don't recall any ever defending or condoning adultery or sexual assault as acceptable behavior (because such actions victimize others, obviously.) But somehow liberals are out of line for pointing out that the religious right are hypocrites for making an exception for their political allies?

Shad · Jun 26, 2019

Father Heathen said:
the religious right has lumped all sexual activity together that wasn't between married hetero couples solely for the sake of procreation as degenerate.

Yes they did.

Liberals have defended sexual liberty, I don't recall any ever defending or condoning adultery or sexual assault as acceptable behavior (because such actions victimize others, obviously.) But somehow liberals are out of line for pointing out that the religious right are hypocrites for making an exception for their political allies?

Sexual assault is pure speculation and assertions at this point. Do note I see nothing from you about Harris or Booker yet both have associations against them for their conduct.

Adultery? Like Clinton? Now did you question Hillary over staying with her cheating husband and comment on this? Did you apply your standard to targets outside those you hold a view against?

Father Heathen · Jun 26, 2019

Shad said:
Sexual assault is pure speculation and assertions at this point. Do note I see nothing from you about Harris or Booker yet both have associations against them for their conduct.

Who? I'd have to look into it, but could be. Scum bags aren't exclusive to one side.

Adultery? Like Clinton? Now did you question Hillary over staying with her cheating husband and comment on this? Did you apply your standard to targets outside those you hold a view against?

As I've said before, I don't like either of the Clinton's. Bill was a sleazy douche, and I presume Hillary stayed for the wealth, power, influence, etc.

Shad · Jun 26, 2019

Father Heathen said:
Who? I'd have to look into it, but could be. Scum bags aren't exclusive to one side.

This just demonstrates what you read for news.

As I've said before, I don't like either of the Clinton's. Bill was a sleazy douche, and I presume Hillary stayed for the wealth, power, influence, etc.

My thoughts as well. She used Bill's status as former Governor and POTUS to get into the Senate. Yet I see no thread about that fact from anyone criticizing Trump

Skwim · Jun 26, 2019

Shad said:
Nope. I just found it hilarious that such an argument is being made.

Oh no foul language commenting on trying to get laid and failing. Oh no he pointed out people get plastic surgery. Oh no he commented on sluts as if they do not exist.

Meanwhile which candidate stayed with a proven cheater? I will await your thread when you apply your standard to those that you support.

The language isn't the point (I only mentioned it in the spoiler as a warning and explanation of why I put it there) It was the content. Keep in mind Trump was just recently married at the time this all took place.

Of a married woman: "I moved on her like a B***h" (Kind of a goofy word to use, but after all this is Trump)

Because every Republican understands a guy moving on his wife like a B***h.

Further dialog: "I gotta use some Tic Tacs in case I start kissing her. Yeah, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. I just start kissing 'em. . . And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p****. You can do anything."

And of course, every Republican is fine with a man grabbing a woman by the p****, even if it's one's wife, sister, or daughter.

It's what makes Republicanism great.

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siti · Jun 26, 2019

Enoch07 said:
The voters in 2016 wouldn't have access to 2016 data, just the 2015 data. In which the economy was tanking. The 2015 and before data is what they had to go on.

No, by polling time they would have had access to the data for the first two quarters of 2016 at least. If they were really concerned about the economy "tanking" they would surely have checked that - wouldn't they?

Enoch07 said:
The trend is consistent in all honesty. Both had ups and downs but about the same slope. Trumps plateaus out near 4% which is expected. It's almost impossible to get unemployment below 4%, so that's usually the bottom number and realistically where it will stay hopefully.

But Trump didn't get it down to near 4% - it was already there by the time Trump delivered his first budget in October 2017 - check the graph - the time is above the blue line you drew on it - remember.

Enoch07 said:
It's hard to misinterpret not having a job under Obama and struggling, then to have a job under Trump and life is good.

Apparently not! You did it very easily.

Father Heathen · Jun 26, 2019

Shad said:
This just demonstrates what you read for news.

Does it not make sense that The President of the United States might get a little more focus and attention than random nobodies and has-beens?

My thoughts as well. She used Bill's status as former Governor and POTUS to get into the Senate. Yet I see no thread about that fact from anyone criticizing Trump

I don't see any threads about the price of tea in China, either.

Enoch07 · Jun 26, 2019

siti said:
No, by polling time they would have had access to the data for the first two quarters of 2016 at least. If they were really concerned about the economy "tanking" they would surely have checked that - wouldn't they?

So you think because they had a crappy 2014 and 2015 under Obama. Decided to support Trump to fix it, then look at a chart that covers some marginal growth in the first half of 2016 then, you think they should have changed their vote right then and there? You are just not basing your theories on reality mate. Reality doesnt work out like it does on paper.

siti said:
But Trump didn't get it down to near 4% - it was already there by the time Trump delivered his first budget in October 2017 - check the graph - the time is above the blue line you drew on it - remember.

4% is the unemployment.

Budget doesnt have anything to do with it creating jobs.

Nice try at the old switcheroo there. Gonna have to block you now like Subduction because you can't debate in good faith. Not surprising, if you can't win honestly with facts you gotta cheat eh?

And you have the audacity to judge anyone else for not having love/compassion. Just more proof that's a bunch of BS.

siti said:
Apparently not! You did it very easily.

You don't know a thing bub. I have had my current job since 2007. Plus I worked it for many years before I took a hiatus to Europe for 5 years.

Nice try at being witty though. Too bad you fell flat on your face.

Shad · Jun 26, 2019

Father Heathen said:
Does it not make sense that The President of the United States might get a little more focus and attention than random nobodies and has-beens?

Booker is a Senator and is running for POTUS. Harris is a DA, a totalitarian one (look up her defense of fake confessions) and running for POTUS.

The Christian Right Is Going All Out to Make Sure Donald Trump Gets Re-Elected

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