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I Want To kill. I Mean, I Wanna, I Wanna Kill. Kill....

shmogie

Well-Known Member
I suspect that Russia might try to station nuclear weapons
in Cuba as a result of our efforts in eastern Europe.
What evidence is there that Iran would use nuclear warfare
to the ends you claim?
Do you think we should take military action to stop N Korea
from developing platforms for their nukes?

To brand countries as rational or irrational is an illusion.
Those traits are both present in all countries.
Certainly, Ameristan behaves irrationally often.
Again, you cling to the ¨ they are like us¨ paradigm. Thatś nonsense. The religious leaders of Iran are not like us. Members of the shia elite ruling group have said more than once that nuclear war would bring in the prophets new world, which is their religious goal.

I suggest again that you read the koran and hadith, to get a perspective to view what they believe fervently.

Military action against N. Korea would ensure the destruction of Seoul, their hostage, which only 30 miles away NK has amassed massive firepower specifically for itś destruction. They already have short range delivery vehicles, and have sucessfully tested at least once an ICBM.

The Korean war still exists, we are in a truce, that is all. Military action would bring China, a large nuclear power right back in to a renewed Korean war.

Iranś hostage, the straits of Hormuz, means little to us now, as we don´t get a large portion of our oil through there any more, in fact we get very little if any. Except for our naval ships and boats who have the right to sail there in international waters, the straight means little to us economically.

Russia will do nothing but bluster. We did nothing when they annexed Crimea, invaded and took territory in Ukraine, put massive numbers of troops into suria, and built a deep water port for themselves in syria.

The democrat administration under obama rolled over and played dead for the Russians. They will do nothing if we decimate Iranś nuclear facilities,
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
I suspect that Russia might try to station nuclear weapons
in Cuba as a result of our efforts in eastern Europe.
What evidence is there that Iran would use nuclear warfare
to the ends you claim?
Do you think we should take military action to stop N Korea
from developing platforms for their nukes?

To brand countries as rational or irrational is an illusion.
Those traits are both present in all countries.
Certainly, Ameristan behaves irrationally often.

Looking at the differences between Sunni & Shia....
Key Differences Between Shia and Sunni Muslims
...& also at how both have behaved, I'm not inclined
to say that one is safe relative to the other.
Shia believe the top dog is infallible, he speaks for their god. He can make no errors or mistakes, if he wants to destroy the world, hell yeah lets go for it !! Itś what allah wants !
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
read the koran and hadith, to get a perspective to view what they believe fervently.
if I may....

the militant believe...and I had heard one say so....
Islam is NOT a religion of peace

he was standing to a podium
and the crowd at hand booed and hissed at his pronouncement

he stilled the crowd to continue his speech
but he was NOT well received

there are people of faith
who DO believe
that you do not follow Muhammed
you are infidel
and NOT worthy the breathe you breath

they want you dead
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Again, you cling to the ¨ they are like us¨ paradigm. Thatś nonsense. The religious leaders of Iran are not like us. Members of the shia elite ruling group have said more than once that nuclear war would bring in the prophets new world, which is their religious goal.
Being human, they will be like us in many ways.
What evidence do you offer that they intend nuclear war to bring about religious objectives?
I suggest again that you read the koran and hadith, to get a perspective to view what they believe fervently.
I'm no fan of Islam.
Would you then argue that we should take military
action to eliminate the Pakistan (also Muslim) threat?
Military action against N. Korea would ensure the destruction of Seoul, their hostage, which only 30 miles away NK has amassed massive firepower specifically for itś destruction. They already have short range delivery vehicles, and have sucessfully tested at least once an ICBM.

The Korean war still exists, we are in a truce, that is all. Military action would bring China, a large nuclear power right back in to a renewed Korean war.

Iranś hostage, the straits of Hormuz, means little to us now, as we don´t get a large portion of our oil through there any more, in fact we get very little if any. Except for our naval ships and boats who have the right to sail there in international waters, the straight means little to us economically.

Russia will do nothing but bluster. We did nothing when they annexed Crimea, invaded and took territory in Ukraine, put massive numbers of troops into suria, and built a deep water port for themselves in syria.

The democrat administration under obama rolled over and played dead for the Russians. They will do nothing if we decimate Iranś nuclear facilities,
Let's say that we attack Iran, & destroy their nuclear facilities.
Do you know what kind of defense they'll mount?
If/when we suffer deaths in the attack, to you think Trump &
our military would want to retaliate out of revenge & anger?
I do.
There's potential for escalation.
Are you so certain that Russia & China would stand idly by?
Are you ready to battle them in a proxy or direct war?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
if I may....

the militant believe...and I had heard one say so....
Islam is NOT a religion of peace

he was standing to a podium
and the crowd at hand booed and hissed at his pronouncement

he stilled the crowd to continue his speech
but he was NOT well received

there are people of faith
who DO believe
that you do not follow Muhammed
you are infidel
and NOT worthy the breathe you breath

they want you dead
I also know Christians who believe that Islam is a religion of the Devil.
And it's a threat to God's chosen people (Jews & Israel).
Given that Christians & Jews dominate our government, these beliefs
will pervade government, & affect decision making. It explains why we
so readily attack Muslim countries, & give Israel a pass on having nukes.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shia believe the top dog is infallible, he speaks for their god. He can make no errors or mistakes, if he wants to destroy the world, hell yeah lets go for it !! Itś what allah wants !
This is a theoretical argument, ie, that they'll behave a particular way
based upon doctrinal differences. But what empirical evidence is
there for this claim that they want to effect some sort of armageddon?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I also know Christians who believe that Islam is a religion of the Devil.
And it's a threat to God's chosen people (Jews & Israel).
Given that Christians & Jews dominate our government, these beliefs
will pervade government, & affect decision making. It explains why we
so readily attack Muslim countries, & give Israel a pass on having nukes.
(I've been doing......oh oh …...all morning)

one more

oh oh
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Their words.
I am not willing to bet they are just BS ing. Further, since they are mortal enemies, the sunni countryś will seek nukes for parity. Which multiplies the chances for an accident, a mistake, or a loon terrorist getting control of the weapons.
Pakistan is a big worry for our government. Their security is inadequate, and people with terrorist leanings are likely in their government.

They sheltered bin laden and provide safe haven for both the taliban and al queada.

Should we just allow the risks to multiply, hoping the guyś with their fingers on the button are just good ol boys
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am not willing to bet they are just BS ing. Further, since they are mortal enemies, the sunni countryś will seek nukes for parity. Which multiplies the chances for an accident, a mistake, or a loon terrorist getting control of the weapons.
Pakistan is a big worry for our government. Their security is inadequate, and people with terrorist leanings are likely in their government.

They sheltered bin laden and provide safe haven for both the taliban and al queada.

Should we just allow the risks to multiply, hoping the guyś with their fingers on the button are just good ol boys
I see it as a matter for negotiation rather than military assault.
Trump & many Ameristanians would disagree.

What do you think of giving Pakistan an ultimatum...
Disarm (nukes) or we bomb all their facilities?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
I see it as a matter for negotiation rather than military assault.
Trump & many Ameristanians would disagree.

What do you think of giving Pakistan an ultimatum...
Disarm (nukes) or we bomb all their facilities?
Military action against an already nuclear armed nation is too great a risk to undertake except in a very, very limited way, like killing bin laden,

That is the whole point, if they get them, it is too late to do much, i.e. NK.

I have the article on the internet with the quotations of Iranian leaders. I will tell you in a separate post where to find it, I don´t know how to send links, hey I am old !
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Military action against an already nuclear armed nation is too great a risk to undertake except in a very, very limited way, like killing bin laden,
That is the whole point, if they get them, it is too late to do much, i.e. NK.
Hmmm.....this means that Iran would be crazy to not get nukes.
With them, our attacks will finally stop.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
invasion is guaranteed
Invasion would be overkill. Cuba, thats a country thats more apt to listen if you shell them from the sea. But thats on their own, and they arent on their own. They nuke up, we invade, there goes Miami.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Russian & China have downed manned planes.
We made no military response.

Irresponsibility abounds in more places than Iran.
I don't trust India, Pakistan, China, N Korea, Russia or Israel.
Should we stop them?
Really, I think Pakistan and Iran, with India by promximity and current conflicts, are the greatest nuclear threats. The others arent really as eager or willing to die.
I suspect that Russia might try to station nuclear weapons
in Cuba as a result of our efforts in eastern Europe.
I have to laugh, because I always thought when I was a little kid would be the last of such things Id ever hear or see. I never thought it would get this close to "Cold War 2" that that the same words would appear on the internet, and be current to today.
 
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