The Christian Right Is Going All Out to Make Sure Donald Trump Gets Re-Elected

Nowhere Man said:

Don't forget his mentor, that crazy pastor.

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That didn't help for sure.

Enoch07 said:

Center left Libertarian. Sometimes just stating unbiased facts comes out cold. But I am not into sugar coating my words and coddling people. You're all adults you can handle straight talk.

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That's my favorite thing about you. You talk straight and you can take straight talk right back.

Shad said:

It is amusing when the left tries to use sexual purity as an argument.

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So if someone caught a vegan known for being very vocal and sanctimonious eating a steak, they shouldn't point out this hypocrisy unless they too were vegan?

Enough with these ridiculous, half-assed straw men and offer me a real argument for once.

Skwim said:

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"Now that Donald Trump has put refugee children in concentration camps, nearly bombed Iran over problems he created, been accused of rape (again), inspired a rash of White Nationalism, and continued his assault on our democracy through his constant barrage of lies, how are white evangelical Christians going to respond in 2020?

They’re gearing up to keep him in office for another four years.

According to The Hill, Christian Right groups preparing to spend tens of millions of dollars to register their voters and paint Democrats as the real extremists.

The Faith and Freedom Coalition will spend tens of millions of dollars on a voter mobilization effort that aims to register 1 million Christians in key battleground states and reach 30 million people nationwide.

The group, which is led by conservative activist Ralph Reed, will pump literature into more than 100,000 churches across 18 states, primarily focusing on the presidential battlegrounds but also with an eye on contested House and Senate races.

The Susan B. Anthony (SBA) List, an anti-abortion rights group, has a budget of $41 million this campaign cycle to “expose the extremism of Trump’s opponents,” among other initiatives.

And the Family Research Council’s political action arm is activating its network of churches and community impact teams in North Carolina, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas to turn out the vote.​

All that because, no matter what else he’s done, Trump has been able to get anti-abortion judges (with lifetime appointments) on federal benches at a record pace.

So what if a bunch of minorities suffer as long as white fetuses get to live…?
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Thank you for proving that everyone should hate all American Christians. So what do you propose people should do to stop these evil SOBs? Bombs? Murder? Arson?

Remember those Pastors who fomented hate against abortion clinics and abortion doctors? Wasn't the result blowing up a few clinics and a few murders of abortion doctors and nurses? How did that work out for them?

Enoch07 said:

A lack of understanding basic fundamentals of the English language, economics, and Christianity is clearly presented.

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I love it when people provide a concise abstract of their arguments.

siti said:

I love it when people provide a concise abstract of their arguments.

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And here comes the projection.

I say people needs jobs.


You say I said "Rich people need more money"


I point out your fundamental lack of English comprehension.

You project it on to me.

Yeup par for the course of people who don't know how to debate or even make coherent rational arguments.

Enoch07 said:

And here comes the projection.

I say people needs jobs.


You say I said "Rich people need more money"


I point out your fundamental lack of English comprehension.

You project it on to me.

Yeup par for the course of people who don't know how to debate or even make coherent rational arguments.

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Well no - you argued that the reason people voted for, and will vote for, Trump was because money (which we need to help the poor) doesn't grow on trees...so where - in the capitalist schema of Trumpist economics - does money come from? Do you think it comes from people having jobs? Or do you think it comes from rich people making more profit? OK - that's point 1.

Point 2 - you then argued that "love doesn't pay the bills" - implying of course that money is what is needed and followed that with a comment about the California homeless problem not having been addressed even though the democrats have a huge majority there AND the money...so what is missing then? Not the money obviously - the "love" perhaps? Your argument was self-defeating and designed to make a party political point - not a real argument.

TBH I couldn't care less about US politics - but the unquestioning partisanship is tantamount to religious zeal - it is frankly hard to imagine a President that could stand in such stark contrast to "Christian" values than the current one - and yet Christians who do have jobs are - it seems - flocking to fund his campaign to remain in the White House for another four years. And when challenged about this, it seems the only response from some self-identifying Christians is to put economics ahead of Christian values like love, kindness and compassion.

And so far, all you have in response to that accusation is a succession of insults about my comprehension and language skills.

I doubt you have even convinced yourself - let alone anyone else.

siti said:

Do you think it comes from people having jobs?

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Yes, more people with jobs means more money is spent buying things. More money for the economy. Which means more taxes from those things are received by the govt for infrastructure, and social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged.

siti said:

Your argument was self-defeating and designed to make a party political point - not a real argument.

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No it was defeating your faux love and compassion argument. Because you don't care as much as you pretend to as shown by the insults you throw and how you treat people. I was simply calling out your BS. And I definitely nailed it because I obviously hit a nerve.

siti said:

And when challenged about this, it seems the only response from self-identifying Christians is to put economics ahead of Christian values like love, kindness and compassion.

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Some of us don't put our beliefs above all else. Even if we did you would just accuse us of wanting a theocracy. So it don't matter which really. You will complain about either situation because that all some folks are good for.

siti said:

And so far, all you have in response to that accusation is a succession of insults about my comprehension and language skills.

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Well they are lacking. Turning "people need jobs" into "rich people need to get richer" is quite a stretch.

siti said:

I doubt you have even convinced yourself - let alone anyone else.

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Convinced myself of what?

Enoch07 said:

Yes, more people with jobs means more money is spent buying things. More money for the economy. Which means more taxes from those things are received by the govt for infrastructure, and social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged.

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Oh please! Is that what you believe a Republican President stands for? Come on - this is getting positively bizarre now. Can you show where Trump has proposed using "more money on social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged"?

siti said:

Oh please! Is that what you believe a Republican President stands for? Come on - this is getting positively bizarre now. Can you show where Trump has proposed using "more money on social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged"?

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Where do you think Social Security fund come from?

Where do you think medicaid/Medicare funds come from?

Simple economics.

More people with jobs = more people having SS, medicaid/Medicare, money taking out of their paychecks = more money for those programs = longer sustainability of those programs.

More people unemployed = less paychecks to take money out of = less money for those programs = less sustainability of those programs.

Nothing in this life is free comrade. Someone has to pay for it at some point.

Enoch07 said:

Simple economics.

More people with jobs = more people having SS, medicaid/Medicare, money taking out of their paychecks = more money for those programs = longer sustainability of those programs.

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Really? Do you think that's what a Republican Presidential candidate stands for?

BTW - Can you show where Trump has proposed using "more money on social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged"?

siti said:

Really? Do you think that's what a Republican Presidential candidate stands for?

BTW - Can you show where Trump has proposed using "more money on social programs to help the poor and disadvantaged"?

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Trump only cares about Trump. If he started the world's greatest social program it'd only because he wants to put his name on it.

Road Warrior said:

Trump only cares about Trump.

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My God! Really? And there I was thinking his dearest wish was to re-establish Christian values and virtues in American society. How could I possibly have been so wrong?

siti said:

Really? Do you think that's what a Republican Presidential candidate stands for?

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I don't care if the President is Republican or Democrat. So long as they are effective.

I'm a Libertarian, I've always had to deal with Presidents I didn't vote for, with the exception of Bill Clinton.

A lot of the people that voted for Trump voted for Obama previously.

Those people voted for Trump to fix the economy, because it was tanking and unemployment was through the roof. Also because illegal immigration is out of control. These are things Obama didn't deal with. So they elected Trump in hope he would deal with it. Low and behold, unemployment is at an all time low, the economy is soaring, and Mexico has increased border security on its side of the border to help reduce illegal immigration.

Enoch07 said:

Low and behold

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Somehow this idiomatic faux pas seems especially appropriate. Sorry Enoch - but you started the English language insults - hopefully you can figure out why this makes me smile, appearing, as it did, in a post about seeing virtuosity in Trumpian politics!

siti said:

My God! Really? And there I was thinking his dearest wish was to re-establish Christian values and virtues in American society. How could I possibly have been so wrong?

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That would be a mistake to assume.

siti said:

Somehow this idiomatic faux pas seems especially appropriate. Sorry Enoch - but you started the English language insults - hopefully you can figure out why this makes me smile, appearing, as it did, in a post about seeing virtuosity in Trumpian politics!

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And back to the insults because a coherent rational argument can't be made in response.

Enoch07 said:

And back to the insults because a coherent rational argument can't be made in response.

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OK - if you want a rational argument...

You claim that since Trump was elected:

1. "Unemployment is at an all-time low" - nearly true but not quite - it has been lower (though admittedly a long time ago)...but the more relevant fact is that unemployment has been following a reasonably linear downward trend since 2010

2. "That the economy is soaring" - again the relevant fact is that the economy has been growing steadily (at an average rate of just over 2%) since mid 2009.

The figures reflect a post-recession recovery that will, come next month, be the longest ever in US economic history - the Trump administration might be able to claim records, but the trends were inherited. The US economy has steadily growing for ten years already and that growth has almost nothing to do with Trump being President as far as I can tell.

siti said:

1. "Unemployment is at an all-time low" - nearly true but not quite - it has been lower (though admittedly a long time ago)...but the more relevant fact is that unemployment has been following a reasonably linear downward trend since 2010

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Close enough.

siti said:

2. "That the economy is soaring" - again the relevant fact is that the economy has been growing steadily (at an average rate of just over 2%) since 2010.

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Doesnt matter if unemployment was low. If people are struggling to feed their families due to a lack of jobs a good economy is only good for the rich. That being said since you want to give credit to Obama for the good economy with high unemployment, who do you think championed the rich now?

I'm sure you'll deflect and try to pin it on Trump anyways.

siti said:

The figures reflect a post-recession recovery that will, come next month, be the longest ever in US economic history - the Trump administration might be able to claim records, but the trends were inherited.

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The sitting President always gets the fame when it soars, and the blame when it crashes. Regardless of who's policies actually caused the rise or fall.

siti said:

The US economy has steadily growing for ten years already and that growth has almost nothing to do with Trump being President as far as I can tell.

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Same as above applies. If a Dem gets elected the economy/employment continue to grow the Dems will say "Mah policies are teh best!" And Republicans will say "Those were Trump policies, the Dem Pres has nothing to do with it". Just as you are doing now in reverse.

Your arguments are just regurgitated talking point from politics for the last 30 years or so. Nothing new or particulary revealing about them.

So let me help you out.

Explain to me why high unemployment is better for helping out people in need? Still waiting on you to justify that gem.

Enoch07 said:

Explain to me why high unemployment is better for helping out people in need? Still waiting on you to justify that gem.

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Where did I say it was? And I did not credit Obama with anything - did I? Let me remind you of the facts again:

Here's what you said:

Enoch07 said:

Those people voted for Trump to fix the economy, because it was tanking and unemployment was through the roof.

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Enoch07 said:

These are things Obama didn't deal with. So they elected Trump in hope he would deal with it. Low and behold, unemployment is at an all time low, the economy is soaring

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Here are the charts:

Unemployment:


Growth:



Every picture tells a story...and these tell the exact opposite story to yours...

Show me on the first chart where unemployment was "through the roof" in 2016.

Show me on the second chart where the economy was "tanking" in 2016.