This whole thing just shows any text can be interpreted to mean anything anyone wants it to mean. I have no idea if the Genesis account is true in a literal sense especially with evolution and stuff but all of this is up for interpretation and there's doesn't seem to be a clear cut way to determine what the real interpretation is supposed to be.
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I Know what the Fruit of Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil Really Is AT LAST!!t
- Thread starter Lionel Refson
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Because you misquoted the Bible and twisted its meaning. Here:
This is what it actually says.
Genesis 5:4
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
The sons and daughters are Seth's, not Adams as clearly shown in Genesis 5:4.
Not your fault though. This is the human misinterpretation I spoke of earlier. The fault is in us, not the word.
The people create on the 6th day are our evolutionary ancestors. This is where 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the human population comes from. I see no reason evolution is not a tool God uses Himself.
Adam and Eve was just one very specific family.
This is the translation I quoted:
Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 5 - International Children’s Bible
To me, it's pretty clear, as this is how they reckoned the generational years, and who were contemporaries.
As for the separate geneology of Cain: it says Cain founded the cities. The nomads were notorious for raiding the cities, killing everyone, and carrying the women off to be sex slaves. (documented elsewhere in the bible.) They were separate cultures that were at odds with each other, and the story of Cain and Abel might be a way to explain this.
As for where Seth got his wife, it is quite possible he got her from such a raid. Maybe, maybe not.
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That's the problem then. Try the KJV it's not water down to keep kids from being disturbed.
Well all those people from those cities came from somewhere right? Its not like Adam and Eve popped out several thousand children in their lifetime.
These people Cain established cities with.
Are the people that was created on the 6th day in Genesis 1.
There is no evidence to suggest Seth raided anyone. Cain probably did as he was outcast, his family disowned him for killing Abel.
But Seth did settle down with a girl who's ancestors were 6th day creations.
Tumah
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Allow?
Adam's descendants would be Cain's as well that's true. But Seth's descendants would not be.
The genealogy of Gen. 4 is describing Cain's descendants, presumably to get to Lemech.
The genealogy of Gen. 5 is describing Seth's descendants, presumably to get to Noah.
Same story. Adam had multiple daughters.
Here's a cute little thing:
Lev. 20:17
And a man who takes his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a ḥesed, and they shall be cut off from the eyes of the nation. He revealed his sister's nakedness, he shall carry his sin.
Psa. 89:3
[The] world is built on ḥesed.
Psa. 89:3 can be made to appear to be saying that the first generations that kick-started mankind came about through incest.
Tumah
Veteran Member
No, the subject is Adam. It's this way:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years; and he begat sons and daughters.
If you read the genealogy the way you are trying to, then Adam had no other children. But just a chapter before we see that he had at least two other sons. Chapter 5 focuses on the genealogy between Adam and Noah, but for each ancestor is explains that they had other children as well.
Incorrect.
It clearly says the sons and daughters belong to Seth.
Sorry you are just wrong.
Tumah
Veteran Member
One of us definitely is...
By all means prove your claim. The genealogy doesnt lost females. But your claim is that Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters. So list a son of Adam not named Cain, Abel, or Seth.
I will save you the trouble. You can't because Adam and Eve only had 3 children, all boys.
Tumah
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How many kids did Seth have and can you list another one other than Enosh?
MonkeyFire
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Good and evil is hate and war.
Actually, according to the book of Jubillees, it says Seth married his sister Azura, daughter of Adam and Eve. Cain married Adam and Eve's first daughter, Awan.
Jubilees 4
Sorry not interested in any non-Biblical sources for this discussion.
According to the Book of Jubilees, they had nine sons, and at least two daughters.
15 Hebrew scrolls of the book of Jubilees were found at Qumran. If you don't want to acknowledge them, that's up to you, just as you are not interested in translations other than King James, and then your own interpretation of it.
Hard to discuss a topic if we switch around between Jewish, Christian, and/Or Muslim text. All 3 Abrahamic Religions share many of the same stories, but with slight variations here and there.
I am not discrediting Jewish of Muslim text by any means.
But to stay consistent, I'd like to just stick with one at a time. I've been speaking of the KJV Bible, yes so that is the confines I'd like to stay in just to keep the conversation from veering off too far. And this can happen very easily going between the Abrahmic Religions text comparing them.
No offense intended.
No offense taken. However, I am curious as to why you won't compare translations.