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I Know what the Fruit of Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil Really Is AT LAST!!t
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Tumah
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Jewish sources learn it from the superfluous wording in 4:2.
But if you don't swing that way, I don't see why 5:4 shouldn't suffice.
That doesn't answer the question.
Tumah
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I don't see what's not answered. Adam had a son. Adam had a daughter.
And they lived happily ever after.
The end.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
The "Tree" is an allegory for settled agrarian civilisation. Befire eating the fruit, man lives an unsettled hunter-gatherer existence "in the garden", after the tree, man has to live "by the sweat of his brow", as farmer and pastoralist.
He cited Genesis 5:4. In context: Genesis 5:3-5
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Tumah
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He not only had a daughter, he had multiple daughters according to Gen. 5:4.
If that was the case. Adam's genealogy and Cains genealogy would be the same. If Cain married his sister and had kids, there would not be need for 2 separate genealogies listed in Genesis.
The sons and daughters spoke of in Genesis 5:3-5 are Seth's sons and daughters. Which are Adams grand children.
Who did Seth marry? Where did his wife come from?
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Let's not also forget Cain killed his brother Abel and was excommunicated. Do you think Adam & Eve would allow Cain to marry one of his siblings after he had already killed one?
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Thinking about it logically, how could Adam and Eve have grandchildren if they only had sons and no daughters?
The answer is in Genesis 1: 26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
What's the answer? I don't see it. All I see is about stuff about God making them in His image, them being given authority over the animals and them being told to be fruitful and multiply... as far as I can see none of that answers the question.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Where does it say that? As far as I see, all it says is that God created Adam and Eve only, just those two. I don't see how someone could come to the conclusion that God created multiple humans.
OK fair enough, it doesn't say that God created Adam and Eve but at the same time the scripture is ambiguous as to whether God how much humans God created and given that Adam and Eve were the only two mentioned by named later on, I don't blame anyone for thinking that God only created those two and not anyone else. If God created other humans, why make it sound like He only created Adam and Eve... why not list all the humans He created? The fact that the later part of the story focuses on only those two makes it seem like they're the only two that were created. Also why give Adam and Eve special authority and not other humans or the first humans since you don't believe Adam and Eve were the first humans to be created?
God made it clear about what He did. Its humans interpretation that is at fault here, or misinterpretation that is.
You want the individual names of thousands of humans of different ethnicities scattered throughout the entire planet?
He listed them in 1 giant group in Genesis 1. That suffices.
That because Adam and Eve are special.
See above. The reason why they are special is because if you follow Adams genealogy eventually it leads to Christ. Another reason is it's a cautionary tale about the troubles caused by disobeying God. It had multiple layers of meaning, that's why Adam and Eves story is special.
Genesis 5:1-8
5 This is the family history of Adam. When God created human beings, he made them in God’s likeness. 2 He created them male and female. And on that day he blessed them and named them human beings.
3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of another son. He was in the likeness and image of Adam. Adam named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years. During that time he had other sons and daughters. 5 So Adam lived a total of 930 years. Then he died.
6 When Seth was 105 years old, he had a son named Enosh. 7 After Enosh was born, Seth lived 807 years. During that time he had other sons and daughters. 8 So Seth lived a total of 912 years. Then he died.
I can't see how you can claim that Adam had no daughters, since the text plainly says he did. This is Seth's geneology, which is different from Cain's geneology, since Seth and Cain are different people who had different children.3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of another son. He was in the likeness and image of Adam. Adam named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years. During that time he had other sons and daughters. 5 So Adam lived a total of 930 years. Then he died.
6 When Seth was 105 years old, he had a son named Enosh. 7 After Enosh was born, Seth lived 807 years. During that time he had other sons and daughters. 8 So Seth lived a total of 912 years. Then he died.
I'm not making the claim that there weren't other people around with Adam and Eve. I'm just pointing out that the bible says Adam had daughters.