Pat Robertson: Just Ignore What Jesus Said About Divorce

Skwim said:

Okay Pat! You're my man

"On today’s episode of The 700 Club, Pat Robertson was asked if it’s okay for a divorced person to get remarried, especially since the Bible makes it clear God sees that as adultery.

Robertson’s answer? Times have changed, and Christians should just ignore what the Bible says.

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[Luke 16:18
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery,
and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19: 3, 9
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to
divorce his wife forany and every reason?”
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and
marries another woman commits adultery.”

Matthew 5:31-32
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of
divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual
immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced
woman commits adultery.

Mark 10:2,11-12
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce
his wife?”11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman
commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another
man, she commits adultery.”]
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[Jesus] said if anybody divorced his wife, except for the cause of fornication or adultery, he should not be remarried.

But we have got a situation in America where almost for every couple of marriages there is also a broken marriage or divorce. And there are millions of people who got divorces, and they remarry and try to set up new families. And I have said all along, I think the church, which has been given the power of God to bind and loose, should lose this regulation and let people understand that divorce is not the unpardonable sin and that remarriage is not something that is forbidden forever. But it depends on the situation…

The big deal is, I really think the church needs to deal with this matter, as a body, and say, “Look, here’s our ruling on this particular issue” and cleanse people of this sense of guilt that they have
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So, does Robertson have a valid point here? Should expediency ever overrule the word of god?

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That's no surprise, seeing alot of pastors ignore what Jesus Christ will say

Deeje said:

It required the son of God to come and institute a new covenant with his disciples. It went from the 'Law of Moses' to the 'law of Christ'. Just as Moses was mediator of the old covenant...Jesus was the mediator of the new one. No one has come since then to change anything Jesus said, to my knowledge....but I am sure you have someone in mind.

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A lot can change in two thousand years. Muhammad brought a New Covenant as did the Bab and Baha'u'llah. They all brought a New Revelation from God as Christ and Moses had done before with the Torah and Gospel.

Deeje said:

Since God has not authorized any change to the teaching of Christ, (many of which were based on OT scripture) why would you assume that he would adjust his laws to appeal to the fallen flesh and the improper desires of human hearts? Marriage is God's arrangement...he makes the rules, not us.

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The time of Christ was characterised by Empires and Emperors, slaves and their owners and men ruling by reason of their more forceful qualities of body and mind. The times have completely changed.

Its is true that only Manifestations of God have the power to change laws from a previous dispensation as Christ did with Mosaic law.

Faithofchristian said:

That's no surprise, seeing alot of pastors ignore what Jesus Christ will say

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I chalk it up to pandering to their congregations: Tell 'em what they want to hear and the cash will keep coming in.

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adrian009 said:

A lot can change in two thousand years. Muhammad brought a New Covenant as did the Bab and Baha'u'llah. They all brought a New Revelation from God as Christ and Moses had done before with the Torah and Gospel.

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The people through whom God spoke were the descendants of Abraham. Isaac was the seed of promise, not Ishmael. So through Jacob and Isaac the promised was repeated....not through the descendants of Ishmael.
Even when Jesus walked the earth he emphasized this with the Samaritan woman at the well.

She said to Jesus..."Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:20-24)

To me, his words rule out the Bab and Baha'u'llah as having any part to play in the outworking of God's purpose. You are free to believe them if you wish.

Christianity was never going to be confined to any geographical location. But God's means of salvation was always going to come through the Jews.

But we have got a situation in America where almost for every couple of marriages there is also a broken marriage or divorce. And there are millions of people who got divorces, and they remarry and try to set up new families.

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A sin is no less a sin just because lots of people are doing it. Just about any sin could be justified using this kind of reasoning.

And I have said all along, I think the church, which has been given the power of God to bind and loose, should lose this regulation and let people understand that divorce is not the unpardonable sin and that remarriage is not something that is forbidden forever. But it depends on the situation…

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Evangelical Protestants do not have a church. No valid orders, no church.

Be that as it may, the Church's authority to "bind and loose" is not the power to do away with the moral law. The Church has the power to forgive sins, not to decide what sins are now 'acceptable'.

The big deal is, I really think the church needs to deal with this matter, as a body, and say, “Look, here’s our ruling on this particular issue” and cleanse people of this sense of guilt that they have

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It's obvious. Accept the clear biblical injunction given by Christ Himself. Remarriage is a sin. As far as guilt is concerned, that can only be done away with by a sacramental confession. Which is neither accepted or accessible to those outside a church with valid orders.

Many things which the Bible terms as 'sin' no reasonable person would regard as wrong.

Skwim said:

I chalk it up to pandering to their congregations: Tell 'em what they want to hear and the cash will keep coming in.

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I've been to those churches, to where their Pastors stand there telling their congregation, I can tell you what ever I want and you all will believe me,
Only because you haven't a clue or idea yourselves what the Bible actually does say.
This is what caused me to start studying the Bible more than ever, and I will not accept what some man,Preacher,Pastor will say, they can not be trusted.

If I can not read it for myself or find it in the Bible, then it only becomes man's teachings and not God's teachings.

This why Jesus Christ condemned the teachings man's in Matthew 15:7-9

7--"You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Thank you, have a good day

Faithofchristian said:

I've been to those churches, to where their Pastors stand there telling their congregation, I can tell you what ever I want and you all will believe me,
Only because you haven't a clue or idea yourselves what the Bible actually does say.
This is what caused me to start studying the Bible more than ever, and I will not accept what some man,Preacher,Pastor will say, they can not be trusted.

If I can not read it for myself or find it in the Bible, then it only becomes man's teachings and not God's teachings.

This why Jesus Christ condemned the teachings man's in Matthew 15:7-9

7--"You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Thank you, have a good day

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Some of the quotes attributed to Jesus don't do him any favours at all. If he was around today strutting his stuff, people would castigate him in the way they castigate other preachers and rightly so,

JJ50 said:

Some of the quotes attributed to Jesus don't do him any favours at all. If he was around today strutting his stuff, people would castigate him in the way they castigate other preachers and rightly so,

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Nope not at all, When Jesus does come, He will becoming with a sword and as a man of war,
Which isn't to far away.
Stay Tune

Faithofchristian said:

Nope not at all, When Jesus does come, He will becoming with a sword and as a man of war,
Which isn't to far away.
Stay Tune

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Something you wish to believe with no evidence to back it up. If Christianity is still practised 2000 years from now, I have no doubt some will claim the return of that chap Jesus is imminent.

The question as to whether any ongoing sin remains if a couple divorces, is an interesting one.

To find the answer we must return to the setting from which the teaching came and know the language by which it arrived to us.

Jesus sent shockwaves through not only the Jewish leaders and teachers, but His own followers as well, concerning this subject. Even one of His disciples claimed that since the only way a man could divorce his wife was through a Mosaic Law violation by her resulting in the death penalty (fornication- spiritual adultery against God via pagan sex worship, or, her committing adultery with another Israelite), that it was best that a man never marry in the first place.

The Apostle Paul allowed for remarriage if the spouse was abandoned by his/her unbelieving partner for not giving up Christ. (1Cor.7:15)

It appears that there are no loopholes for church leaders to get around on this divorce/remarriage issue. Their parishioners are living with sin if after coming to Christ they remarried outside the New Testament teachings.

Skwim said:

Be glad to. What is it? Chapter and verse please.


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I don't have time to school a reluctant person in the scriptures. I simply invite you again to read them before you opine wrongly, yet again.

BilliardsBall said:

I don't have time to school a reluctant person in the scriptures. I simply invite you again to read them before you opine wrongly, yet again.

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It is my reading of the Bible which has convinced me it is no more than a very human production, with no input from any god.

Skwim said:

So, does Robertson have a valid point here? Should expediency ever overrule the word of god?.

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I like what Jesus answers:

"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

Divorcing is not good and loving. It is a result of that people don’t love and that I think it is the problem in this world, people don’t love.

1213 said:

I like what Jesus answers:

"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

Divorcing is not good and loving. It is a result of that people don’t love and that I think it is the problem in this world, people don’t love.

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People fall out of love, so it is better to divorce if a marriage can't be fixed. I think it is a good idea to live together for a few years before considering marriage, to see if a couple are suited. We encouraged our two now married daughters to live with their partners before tying the knot. They have been married for 21 and 19 years, which isn't bad in this day and age.

BilliardsBall said:

I don't have time to school a reluctant person in the scriptures. I simply invite you again to read them before you opine wrongly, yet again.

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Yeah, pretty much figured you were blowing smoke here. Thanks for the confirmation.

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Skwim said:

Okay Pat! You're my man

"On today’s episode of The 700 Club, Pat Robertson was asked if it’s okay for a divorced person to get remarried, especially since the Bible makes it clear God sees that as adultery.

Robertson’s answer? Times have changed, and Christians should just ignore what the Bible says.

View attachment 30172

[Luke 16:18
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery,
and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19: 3, 9
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to
divorce his wife forany and every reason?”
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and
marries another woman commits adultery.”

Matthew 5:31-32
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of
divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual
immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced
woman commits adultery.

Mark 10:2,11-12
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce
his wife?”11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman
commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another
man, she commits adultery.”]
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[Jesus] said if anybody divorced his wife, except for the cause of fornication or adultery, he should not be remarried.

But we have got a situation in America where almost for every couple of marriages there is also a broken marriage or divorce. And there are millions of people who got divorces, and they remarry and try to set up new families. And I have said all along, I think the church, which has been given the power of God to bind and loose, should lose this regulation and let people understand that divorce is not the unpardonable sin and that remarriage is not something that is forbidden forever. But it depends on the situation…

The big deal is, I really think the church needs to deal with this matter, as a body, and say, “Look, here’s our ruling on this particular issue” and cleanse people of this sense of guilt that they have
source​

So, does Robertson have a valid point here? Should expediency ever overrule the word of god?

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This episode aired last Thursday?
That would be June 20th.
Video is set to start at the 40:08 mark.

TRANSCRIPT:

40:08
PERIOD. >> MARIE'S SAYS MY QUESTION IS
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ABOUT REMARRIAGE IN THE BIBLE. IS IT TRUE THAT IF YOU DIVORCE
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AND REMARRY WHILE YOUR EX- SPOUSE IS STILL LIVING, YOUR
40:20
MARRIAGE IS NOT LEGAL IN THE EYES OF GOD?
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DOES THIS LAW STILL APPLY TODAY?
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>> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT LAW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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LOOK, JESUS SAID IN THE BEGINNING GOD SAID A MAN SHALL
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LEAVE HIS MOTHER AND FATHER AND CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE AND THEY
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SHOULD BE ONE FLESH. THEN HE SAID WHAT GOD IS JOINED
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TOGETHER LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER.
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HE SAID IF ANYBODY DIVORCES HIS WIFE, EXCEPT FOR THE CAUSE OF
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FORNICATION OR ADULTERY, HE SHOULD NOT BE REMARRIED.
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BUT WE HAVE GOT A SITUATION IN AMERICA WERE ALMOST FOR EVERY
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COUPLE OF MARRIAGES THERE IS ALSO A BROKEN MARRIAGE OR
41:08
DIVORCE. AND THERE ARE MILLIONS OF
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PEOPLE WHO GOT DIVORCES, AND THEY REMARRY AND TRY TO SET UP
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NEW FAMILIES. I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, I THINK
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THE CHURCH, WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN THE POWER OF GOD TO BIND,
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SHOULD LOSE THIS REGULATION AND LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT
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DIVORCE IS NOT THE UNPARDONABLE SIN.
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IN THE REMARRIAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS FORBIDDEN
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FOREVER. BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE
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SITUATION. THE QUESTION OF DESERTION,
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CONSTRUCTOR DESERTION. IF THE UNBELIEVER IS A PART, I
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THINK IF THERE IS PHYSICAL ABUSE AND A PARTNER IS MAKING
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IT IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE WITH THEM, THEN IN A SENSE, IT IS
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CONSTRUCTIVE EXERTION DESERTION AND COMES UNDER THOSE
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PRIVILEGES. BUT THE BIG DEAL IS, REALLY
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THINK THE CHURCH NEEDS TO DEAL WITH THIS MATTER.
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AS A BODY AND SAY HERE IS A RULING ON THIS PARTICULAR
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ISSUE, AND CLEANSE PEOPLE OF THIS SENSE OF GUILT THEY HAVE
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BEEN UNDER BECAUSE OF "BREAKING THE LAW."
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>> WE GET THIS QUESTION QUITE OFTEN.
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>> SO MANY PEOPLE DIVORCE AND REMARRY.
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THAT IS WHY WE GET ALL THE TIME.
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PEOPLE WONDER. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU
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HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND. IF YOU JUST WANTED TO, IF YOU
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DIDN'T LIKE YOUR SPOUSE, THAT IS NOT REASON.
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YOU SWORE A VOW BEFORE GOD THAT YOUR MARRIAGE WILL BE UNTIL
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DEATH YOU PART. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS GOING
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ON? THERE ARE FACTS AND
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CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.

Salvador said:

According to Emmanuel Swedenborg, with whom Jesus Christ is believed to have clarified his teachings about remarriage,

There are exemptions to the rule that a person who remarries is considered as being adulterous:


(1) That whether to contract matrimony again after the death of a married partner depends upon the preceding conjugial love.


(2) That it depends also upon the state of marriage in which they had lived.


(3) That with those who had not love truly conjugial nothing stands in the way, or hinders their contracting matrimony again.


(4) That those who have lived together in love truly conjugial do not wish to marry again, unless for reasons apart from conjugial love.


(5) That the state of marriage of a young man with a virgin is of one kind, and that of a young man with a widow of another.


(6) Also that the state of marriage of a widower with a virgin is of one kind, and that of a widower with a widow of another.


(7) That the varieties and diversities of these marriages, as to love and its attributes, exceed all number.


(8) That the state of a widow is more grievous than the state of a widower.


https://swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/swedenborg_foundation_conjugial_love.pdf

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Complete demonic hogwash.
Emanuel Swedenborg was a mystic among other labels he applied to himself. He was everything Jesus warned against and told us not to believe or accept as true in Matthew 24.

JJ50 said:

It is my reading of the Bible which has convinced me it is no more than a very human production, with no input from any god.

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Have you read OUTSIDE the Bible, to learn evidence for its veracity?

Skwim said:

Yeah, pretty much figured you were blowing smoke here. Thanks for the confirmation.

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All we've confirmed is that you are continuing to assault people who base their doctrines on a book you don't understand!