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Born again christian

Faithofchristian

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I believe this is it:
John 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

But the question is, What does Jesus mean by born again, we know that no one can be born the second time from their mothers womb.
So what does Jesus mean by born again?

Let's see if this helps to explain it,
Before anyone came to be here in human flesh and blood, God created us as Spirit beings,
Thereby when God created the body of flesh and blood God took those spirit beings and put them in the body of flesh and blood, thereby being born again of flesh and blood.

Jesus also said In John 3:5---" Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

The water Jesus made mentioning of, is when a woman's water breaks the child is born thru that water, being born of the water.

Being born of the Spirit is by the word of God.
1 Peter 1:22-23---"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

Thereby born again of the Spirit of God, is by the word of God.
 
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leov

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I think the spiritual body is also a soul.

Psa 49:15, Acts 2:27
According to Paul soul body must transform to spiritual, 'natural' in Greek means soul.body can go both ways either to material body or to spirit body, whole 'fight' is about where soul body would go. Think about Prodigal son story. Younger son represents soul body and elder one - spirit body and spirit body never left the fathers estate.
 

tigrers2019

Member
I think Jesus was referring to the person having to change so radically so as to be able to enter into heaven, that they may as well have to be reborn from the womb and live their life all over again....in the worldly person's understanding.

The worldly minded person would have great difficulty understanding the Holy Spirit's ability to suddenly radically change a person into a child of God.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
I think Jesus was referring to the person having to change so radically so as to be able to enter into heaven, that they may as well have to be reborn from the womb and live their life all over again....in the worldly person's understanding.

The worldly minded person would have great difficulty understanding the Holy Spirit's ability to suddenly radically change a person into a child of God.

I am so glad I am worldly in believing the idea of the hs is not a credible concept.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from


In my understanding from talking to people, "born again" refers to a sensation of Enlightenment, probably from deep study of the Christian Scriptures, meditation, introspection etc. A person can have an intense moment in which they lose a sense of self/ego and feel unified with everything around them (or God). Such intense experiences (w/o drugs) lead to a feeling of rebirth, renewal. Also known as self-transcendence.

What God does to your brain
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Does consciousness refer to simply being awake and aware. Or is there something more than that?

Consciousness, which is driven by the brain means being aware of what is going on, when we die that is it. There is no evidence that once our body dies our awareness continues in another realm.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Consciousness, which is driven by the brain means being aware of what is going on, when we die that is it. There is no evidence that once our body dies our awareness continues in another realm.
Yep. We are like the beasts that perish, says God. I would also agree that there is no living immaterial existence.
 

tigrers2019

Member
I am not defending the New Testament nor attacking your lack of understanding of all the secular evidence we have of life outside one's dead body. Our evidence confirms the teaching of the New Testament. Understanding and accepting the evidence brings one closer to the New Birth or 'born again' experience.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
I am not defending the New Testament nor attacking your lack of understanding of all the secular evidence we have of life outside one's dead body. Our evidence confirms the teaching of the New Testament. Understanding and accepting the evidence brings one closer to the New Birth or 'born again' experience.
There is no evidence for the life of a person outside of a body..Death means to be dead.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
How about John 3:3?

I think that is good point and I would like to add this:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10


These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Mat. 25:46

I think that also explains and confirms it.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from


Rabbi Yose said: 'One who has become a proselyte is like a newly born child.' Talmud, Yevamot 48b

Being 'reborn' is an idea that Judaism applied to Gentiles who converted to Judaism. They had to be immersed in a mikvah that contained 'living water.' When they emerged they were considered to have been reborn as new creatures.

Additionally, a Jew was reckoned as Jewish if their mother was a Jew. (Based on Ezra 10:2)

I can imagine Nicodemus' confusion. 'How can I convert to Judaism? I am a Jew by maternal lineage!' 'Can I enter my mother's womb and be born again?'

That is so interesting. I always love to see the Jewish perspective.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

2 Corinthians
5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

There are many other verses but it is that if you believe in Jesus, you will start a new and different life because you will leave your sins behind, although no one can be perfect, and begin to live a life with goodness and love.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
2 Corinthians
5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

There are many other verses but it is that if you believe in Jesus, you will start a new and different life because you will leave your sins behind, although no one can be perfect, and begin to live a life with goodness and love.


Seeing that Nicodemus was well known in and about the old testament scriptures.
And that the new testament scriptures had not been written yet, at the time Jesus and Nicodemus were speaking.
So your using the new testament, scriptures will not work.
So let's back up to John 3:1-10, Jesus and Nicodemus speaking about being born again.
Nicodemus knew it was far deeper than baptism, if what Jesus was replying to, was in reference to baptism, Nicodemus would haved understood that, seeing that in the book of Leviticus speaks about water baptism.
And that Nicodemus was will known in and about the old testament, scriptures.

So Nicodemus understood what Jesus was in reference to, had nothing to do with water baptism. But far deeper than water baptism.
So your trying to use the new testament, scriptures will not work, seeing at that time Jesus and Nicodemus were speaking to each other and all they had at that time was the old testament scriptures to go by,
For the new testament scriptures had not been written as of yet.

And seeing Nicodemus brought up about the womb of a woman, Thereby Nicodemus knew and understood what Jesus was in speaking about had nothing to do with water baptism.
But about the womb of a woman.
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

Its not in the bible. When I was in the UPC church which was pretty much a cult church, they believed in going to church and getting the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues and getting baptized in the name of Jesus only as being the way to salvation.

Of course I don't believe like that anymore. However I do agree with their description of why the church that has alter calls to accept Jesus as wrong.

My Grand mother born in 1901 ( I'm 52, my Mom had me late in life) said that Southern Baptist church did not use to do that in the old days.

She said that came in the 60s, I have studied it its a part of the born again movement.The way Southern Baptists did it was like this. When you start going to church its because you believe on Jesus, so belief happens, there is no accepting Jesus or sinners prayer, Instead you respond to the alter call to repent of your sins, chose to make a decision to join the church and get baptized then your saved.

So the whole born again deal is bolognee.

hat I don't like is that it seems like Christians in community churches Baptist churches and the like quite often get to the alter response and never decided to live for God. They're just there to claim a free ticket out of hell, and if they backslide oh well, when the Pastor cals up sinners who have back slidden they get saved again. They never really start living for God just seem to be stuck at the alter call never go beyond that and don't grow up.

They seem to be preoccupied with getting out of having to burn in hell, well that's it that's all they care about.

When I choose a religion church, I want to go and joyfully worship God!
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Seeing that Nicodemus was well known in and about the old testament scriptures.
And that the new testament scriptures had not been written yet, at the time Jesus and Nicodemus were speaking.
So your using the new testament, scriptures will not work.
So let's back up to John 3:1-10, Jesus and Nicodemus speaking about being born again.
Nicodemus knew it far deeper than baptism, if what Jesus was replying to, was in reference to baptism, Nicodemus would haved understood that, seeing that in the book of Leviticus speaks about water baptism.
And that Nicodemus was will known in and about the old testament, scriptures.

So Nicodemus understood what Jesus was in reference to, had nothing to do with water baptism. But far deeper than water baptism.
So your trying to use the new testament, scriptures will not work, seeing at the time Jesus and Nicodemus were speaking to each other and all they had at the time was the old testament scriptures to go by,
For the new testament scriptures had not been written as of yet.

And seeing Nicodemus brought up about the womb of a woman, Thereby Nicodemus knew and understood what Jesus was in speaking about had nothing to do with water baptism.
But about the womb of a woman.

Thanks for the explanation.
 
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