concept of Messiah in Islam

jewscout · Oct 23, 2006

Is there a concept of "messiah" in Islam? If so, what is that individual's role? How does Islam define that role? Who is the "messiah", if he/she has already come?

just curious, want to compare/contrast between the abrahamic faiths.

seed757 · Oct 23, 2006

jewscout said:
Is there a concept of "messiah" in Islam? If so, what is that individual's role? How does Islam define that role? Who is the "messiah", if he/she has already come?

just curious, want to compare/contrast between the abrahamic faiths.

Ok I'll give it a shot. If I'm off a little, please brothers and sisters correct me.

From my understanding the Messiah in Islam is not much different as the concept in Judaism. But, the differences that are there are quite stark.

As Muslims, we believe that Jesus(pbuh) was the promised Messiah to Israel. The Messiah was no more than a messenger of Allah(swt). His office did not incorperate a violent overthrow of the Romans or any sort of governorship to establish an autonomous rule specifically for the Jews alone. Instead, his coming was to steer the Jews of his day into a more spiritual fulfillment of slavation and redemption rather than a corporeal and wordly one. Within this perspective it was far more important for Jews then to find spiritual upliftment because of the misery they wallowed in because of their subjugation from the Roman Empire.

With a higher spiritual insight, one can be oppressed by a mighty and powerful enemy, but as long as they maintain and persevere through any trail, they will always come out on top. This was the mission of Jesus(pbuh) to the Jews. As long as they would adhere to his teachings, they would find the deliverance they had lamented over for generations.

Terrywoodenpic · Oct 23, 2006

seed757 said:
Ok I'll give it a shot. If I'm off a little, please brothers and sisters correct me.

From my understanding the Messiah in Islam is not much different as the concept in Judaism. But, the differences that are there are quite stark.

As Muslims, we believe that Jesus(pbuh) was the promised Messiah to Israel. The Messiah was no more than a messenger of Allah(swt). His office did not incorperate a violent overthrow of the Romans or any sort of governorship to establish an autonomous rule specifically for the Jews alone. Instead, his coming was to steer the Jews of his day into a more spiritual fulfillment of slavation and redemption rather than a corporeal and wordly one. Within this perspective it was far more important for Jews then to find spiritual upliftment because of the misery they wallowed in because of their subjugation from the Roman Empire.

With a higher spiritual insight, one can be oppressed by a mighty and powerful enemy, but as long as they maintain and persevere through any trail, they will always come out on top. This was the mission of Jesus(pbuh) to the Jews. As long as they would adhere to his teachings, they would find the deliverance they had lamented over for generations.

Are you saying then that Jews that became Christian have been put on the right path by Jesus' teachings.
And that Jews that do not accept Jesus as the Messiah have somehow missed an opportunity.

Christians as well as Jews suffered greatly under the romans.... But it was the Christians who won out in the battle of the Roman gods against God in the end, and converted the Romans.

seed757 · Oct 23, 2006

Are you saying then that Jews that became Christian have been put on the right path by Jesus' teachings.

Well, yes and no.

I'm saying the Jews of the time of Jesus'(pbuh) ministry would have been following true guidance by following his teachings. And I think the term "Christian", in the sense that you may be speaking of, does not really apply. If anything those that he was sent to were still Jews, and were to remain as Jews. It just so happens that they were Jews who believed Jesus(pbuh) as their promised Messiah.

And that Jews that do not accept Jesus as the Messiah have somehow missed an opportunity.

Again, the Jews of the time. Not Jews that do not, but Jews that did not. That is, prior to the advent of Muhammad(pbuh).

Christians as well as Jews suffered greatly under the romans.... But it was the Christians who won out in the battle of the Roman gods against God in the end, and converted the Romans.

Well that is highly debatable. Some may argue that the Roman church actually co-opted many ideas from Roman gods. In so doing, compromising the original teachings of Jesus(pbuh) concerning the worship of the God who sent him.

Booko · Oct 23, 2006

seed757 said:
From my understanding the Messiah in Islam is not much different as the concept in Judaism. But, the differences that are there are quite stark.

As Muslims, we believe that Jesus(pbuh) was the promised Messiah to Israel. The Messiah was no more than a messenger of Allah(swt). His office did not incorperate a violent overthrow of the Romans or any sort of governorship to establish an autonomous rule specifically for the Jews alone. Instead, his coming was to steer the Jews of his day into a more spiritual fulfillment of slavation and redemption rather than a corporeal and wordly one. Within this perspective it was far more important for Jews then to find spiritual upliftment because of the misery they wallowed in because of their subjugation from the Roman Empire.

With a higher spiritual insight, one can be oppressed by a mighty and powerful enemy, but as long as they maintain and persevere through any trail, they will always come out on top. This was the mission of Jesus(pbuh) to the Jews. As long as they would adhere to his teachings, they would find the deliverance they had lamented over for generations.

What of the figure sometimes refered to as the Mahdi?

That always seemed to bear more resemblence to Jewish ideas of Moshiach, especially as there's supposed to be some sort of peace that goes hand in hand with the appearance of this Figure.

jewscout · Oct 23, 2006

seed757 said:
Ok I'll give it a shot. If I'm off a little, please brothers and sisters correct me.

From my understanding the Messiah in Islam is not much different as the concept in Judaism. But, the differences that are there are quite stark.

As Muslims, we believe that Jesus(pbuh) was the promised Messiah to Israel. The Messiah was no more than a messenger of Allah(swt). His office did not incorperate a violent overthrow of the Romans or any sort of governorship to establish an autonomous rule specifically for the Jews alone. Instead, his coming was to steer the Jews of his day into a more spiritual fulfillment of slavation and redemption rather than a corporeal and wordly one. Within this perspective it was far more important for Jews then to find spiritual upliftment because of the misery they wallowed in because of their subjugation from the Roman Empire.

With a higher spiritual insight, one can be oppressed by a mighty and powerful enemy, but as long as they maintain and persevere through any trail, they will always come out on top. This was the mission of Jesus(pbuh) to the Jews. As long as they would adhere to his teachings, they would find the deliverance they had lamented over for generations.

thanks seed.

i will say that i do find this more in line with the Christian concept of messiah than i do of the Jewish one, but it's good to see the differences so when the same word is used we understand that it holds different meanings.

thanks again!

seed757 · Oct 23, 2006

Booko said:
What of the figure sometimes refered to as the Mahdi?

That always seemed to bear more resemblence to Jewish ideas of Moshiach, especially as there's supposed to be some sort of peace that goes hand in hand with the appearance of this Figure.

As far as the Mahdi is concerned, I am not well learned on this paricular subject to give you any relevant info. :sorry1:

Booko · Oct 23, 2006

seed757 said:
As far as the Mahdi is concerned, I am not well learned on this paricular subject to give you any relevant info. :sorry1:

Perhaps someone else will wander into this thread then. Thanks anyway!

Random · Oct 23, 2006

This might help regarding the Mahdi.

Ahmadi · Oct 23, 2006

jewscout said:
Is there a concept of "messiah" in Islam? If so, what is that individual's role? How does Islam define that role? Who is the "messiah", if he/she has already come?

just curious, want to compare/contrast between the abrahamic faiths.

Yes, there is a concept of messiah in Islam.

His role is to refresh the Islamic faith after its decline.

That Messiah has already arrived and his name is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) (His photograph)

His life sketch can be studied here.

fullyveiled muslimah · Oct 24, 2006

Ahmadi said:
Yes, there is a concept of messiah in Islam.

His role is to refresh the Islamic faith after its decline.

That Messiah has already arrived and his name is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) (His photograph)

His life sketch can be studied here.

This belief only applies to those who call themselves Ahmadiyyats. This does not apply to the majority of the muslims around the world. Muslims believe Isa (as) was the masih. Imam Mahdi is a person who is a descendant of the Prophet (saw) and basically is the khalifa of the muslims at the time of his appearance. People will notice that we have been missing one of those for quite some time.

TashaN · Oct 25, 2006

Terrywoodenpic said:
Are you saying then that Jews that became Christian have been put on the right path by Jesus' teachings.
And that Jews that do not accept Jesus as the Messiah have somehow missed an opportunity.

Indeed, at that time (the time of Jesus Christ), the Jews had to accept him and follow him and his teaching but if they didn't do so, that means they have astray from the right path "at that time". Regarding the concept of Christiany, it wasn't established by Jesus Christ himself but later on by people who believed in him. Jesus didn't come to Abolish The Law as he clearly mentioned but to call people to remain believeing in God the same way Moses or David would want them to be so. His mission wasn't to be a king amongest them or to lead them in battels like David for instance but it was just guidance and following the law which was revealed to Moses and also the Injil which was revealed t Jesus Christ.

Christians as well as Jews suffered greatly under the romans.... But it was the Christians who won out in the battle of the Roman gods against God in the end, and converted the Romans.

The question is, converted them into what?

Was it the same excact message of Jesus Christ or somthing more, or even less?

TashaN · Oct 25, 2006

Booko said:
What of the figure sometimes refered to as the Mahdi?

That always seemed to bear more resemblence to Jewish ideas of Moshiach, especially as there's supposed to be some sort of peace that goes hand in hand with the appearance of this Figure.

I don't know much about Moshiach but if the concept was the same as we have so he might be the same person, why not.

Godlike said:
This might help regarding the Mahdi.

Not so much, most of the information in this website are wrong.

You can check this link to know who is Mahdi according to Islam.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546904

If you want to know anything about Islam you will find this website www.islamonline.net so helpful because there are so much websites which spread lies or wrong information about Islam.

Thank you.

TashaN · Oct 25, 2006

fullyveiled muslimah said:
This belief only applies to those who call themselves Ahmadiyyats. This does not apply to the majority of the muslims around the world. Muslims believe Isa (as) was the masih. Imam Mahdi is a person who is a descendant of the Prophet (saw) and basically is the khalifa of the muslims at the time of his appearance. People will notice that we have been missing one of those for quite some time.

Indeed.

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