Which makes no sense at all!
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Where do gangsters go when they die......
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No, you're wrong. They return as 'Extreme Fundamentalist Independent 1611 KJV only Baptists'.
Faithofchristian
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Actually no one goes to heaven or hell when they die, people go to what Jesus Christ referred to, as the great gulf in
Luke 16:26
Luke 16:26--"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence"
This has nothing at all to do with heaven or hell.
Those that have done good, goes to the good side of the gulf and those that have done evil, goes to the bad side of the great gulf fix.
To awaited the Judgement bar of Jesus Christ.
Then those that are found Worthy goes to heaven and those that are found unworthy goes into the lake of fire.
Romans 14:10---"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ"
Therefore no one goes to heaven or hell, until they come before the Judgement seat of Jesus Christ.
Lionel Refson
Member
Can you prove that? I do not believe that God punishes anyone, good or bad, and As I have said Gen 9:6 even murderers are to be dealt with by humans but there still is a reckoning...God forgave Adam and Cain , so I wonder what the reckoning will be? I don"t know, not having died yet
Why is it horrible exactly?How horrible!
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It seems a very unpleasant dogma, I hope I am right in the belief that there is no god or afterlife and when one dies one ceases to be.
Lionel Refson
Member
Not in the least. God does not judge us on wordly affairs. Remember the true God as expressed in Genesis up to 9:19 (the rest of the Bible being nonsense) forgave Adam, Cain and only destroyed that humanity that had been corrupted by the nephilim
Even those that shed blood will be dealt with by human hands (Gen 9:6 ) The account/reckoning does not necessarily mean punishment and besides all our souls belong to God
Read my link on this forum if you want to understand my view. it could save a lot of arguing.
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You are entitled to your view, just as I am entitled to mine.
Lionel Refson
Member
Of course. Apologies.
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
The RCC doctrine that God demoniacally tortures billions of immortal spirits for all eternity in a blazing sea of perpetual fire is a Satanic Antichrist mendacity that defames God. As a God of justice and love, he would never create such a vicious and barbaric realm much less prescribe infinite punishment for a finite crime no matter how wicked.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Use common-sense instead of relying on repeatedly edited scriptures.
Lionel Refson
Member
Why?
Lionel Refson
Member
Ii don't just quote from scriptures, as you know I interpret them my own way and secondly how i choose to answer a question is up to me not you, with the greatest of respect .
Lionel Refson
Member
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The first step in deprogramming an Abrahamic Theist is to remove the certainty that they have God on their side. i won't bore you with the next steps. Just remember Abraham came long after Noah. The early parts of Genesis are Sumerian-flavoured and that is where the truth of all things lie, in the beginning
So what prevents you becoming as one with Brahamin. Could it be your intolerance of the views of others perhaps?. To me God/Brahamin/the Tao etc etc are all the same thing in the end .Neither of us truly know the nature of the 1
.....and it's these religious texts that are causing so much trouble in the world, your beliefs seem pretty irrelevant.
In My Humble Opinion! .
I am sorry. i am sure your intellect and logic is huge but you do not read carefully.. My aim is to destroy the Abrahamic religions from within, because IMO they are false and misleading. You taking potshots at scriptures and theists is one way to do it, but I have my way
The first step in deprogramming an Abrahamic Theist is to remove the certainty that they have God on their side. i won't bore you with the next steps. Just remember Abraham came long after Noah. The early parts of Genesis are Sumerian-flavoured and that is where the truth of all things lie, in the beginning
So what prevents you becoming as one with Brahamin. Could it be your intolerance of the views of others perhaps?. To me God/Brahamin/the Tao etc etc are all the same thing in the end .Neither of us truly know the nature of the 1
.....and it's these religious texts that are causing so much trouble in the world, your beliefs seem pretty irrelevant.
In My Humble Opinion! .
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Well at least you are honest.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Ah, that is a new angle which I have never encountered before. But as an atheist, to me existence of God an interfering God, good or evil, is just not possible. Nothing prevented me from becoming one with Brahman other than my ignorance, and I crossed that barrier. 'Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman), "Ayamatma Brahman' (This self is Brahman), 'Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahman' (All things here, (are verily) brahman).
All intolerance are at the worldly level, none at the absolute level. We term the two levels as 'Vyavaharika' (Pragmatic) and 'Paramarthika' (Absolute). You too are Brahman, 'Tat twam asi' (That you are).
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I work the late shift
Lionel Refson
Member
AT LAST You have listened. I came from orthodox jewry and have held my beliefs for fifty years.
I like your belief system. It is beautiful and simple and pretty hard to destroy, (not that I would try)because it contains no self-interest, no guilt or fear motivation etc. It is indestructible But
It will not help those that have the Abrahamic seed of fear and awe of God/Allah, planted in their mind. An LGBT person suffering from religious fear and guilt because they believe in God, having been brought up in a religious household, will rarely find your religion to be of help. My approach on the other hand gets right to that seed and gets them to question it. This is also true for anyone suffering from religious guilt, fear, etc or who might wish to go out and hurt people in the name of God. These people are beyond counselling, psychology etc because of how their abrahamic religion has twisted their minds.
At the same time I feel in my heart tremendous pain and sadness (and I am 58 so I have lived a little ) every time someone murders someone in the name of a God that I know never wished for such things (but we have freewill). I also have had visions of my dead Father, Grandfather, and Great-Grandfather crying with sorrow when ISIS murdered so many. This pain in my heart,(and I do feel sick) this voice/feeling even though it is small to me is God. I am an ex-jew, ex Buddhist, ex-Taoist ex-Falun Gong and ex all religions, because this voice/feeling, heart rending sadness to me is God