Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

TagliatelliMonster · Jun 20, 2019

Nimos said:
Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

I'm an atheist and I don't believe that claim.

So, I guess that's that for the thread title then....

TagliatelliMonster · Jun 20, 2019

shunyadragon said:
Atheists basically follow science concerning the nature of our physical existence

While in general / in practice, it is probably a safe bet that your average atheist will simply go where the science leads them concerning such subjects, I'ld just like to point out that there is nothing in "atheism" that leads to such conclusion.

It's perfectly possible to be an atheist and believe science is a bunch of quackery, for example.
Atheism isn't dependend on science. Nore is science dependend on atheism.

TagliatelliMonster · Jun 20, 2019

Altfish said:
However Lawrence Krauss believes it is possible...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Universe-Nothing-Lawrence-M-Krauss/dp/1471112683

Don't confuse "beliefs" with scientific models of reality though.

Also, what people like Krauss mean by "nothing" in such a context, is pretty different from what theologians mean by "nothing", both or wich are also pretty different from what we lay-people mean by "nothing" in day-to-day conversation. For example, when I say "this box is empty, there is nothing in this box" - "nothing" means something very very different from the term in context of theology, philosophy, physics,....

Usually when people ask me "do you believe X about 'nothing'", I'll first ask them to clarify what they mean exactly by "nothing".

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
Not really 'nothing',
"we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible." HEB.11

Odd. You are directly contradicting what Genesis states. I find that interesting.

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
In a way he was.

Well, just ask the Catholic Pope of that time and place-- Hitler certainly got a lot of sympathy from the Vatican.

TagliatelliMonster · Jun 20, 2019

paarsurrey said:
Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

The above is a good question.
Regards

Only if you think loaded questions are good.

So, why do you hit your wife?

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
We have organs of communication with spirit, many have them deeply suppressed.

Citation Needed. Hint: your bible isn't a valid source for this-- it's your claim.

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
Genesis is coded but says essentially the same. It is not true science book, just some hints.

Says you. Who are you, and what qualifies you as a biblical "expert"? For starters, Genesis isn't even your book!

ChristineM · Jun 20, 2019

Thief said:
with this.....are you assuming only passion?

as if a believer can't think

Did i say only passion??? I have never known a preacher who is not passionate about what they say... Even if some of them score a D for thinking

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
Entire ancient world. Third eye, e.t.c. 90+ of all humans living and who lived before were theists.

Citations needed. Multiple citations, actually.... otherwise it's simply speculation and conjecture.

BilliardsBall · Jun 20, 2019

shunyadragon said:
Atheists basically follow science concerning the nature of our physical existence, therefore almost all scientists regardless of religious belief and atheists do not believe our physical existence came from 'absolute nothing' regardless of whether there is only one universe of an infinite number of universes.

It is basically 'some' theists that believe the our physical existence was Created from 'absolute nothing.' Some scientist have describe the 'Quantum World' as the nothing that universes originate from, but this is not the 'philosophical absolute nothing' of theist views.

If anything the atheists as well as many if not most scientists believe the physical existence is most likely eternal and did not come from anything.

The video is udder nonsense.

Wait! Atheists believe Hitler was a Christian, not an Atheist!

Atheists also believe they are not religious, and so use a small initial, like this: atheist

"atheist" is a small word, so why do an OP on something so small?

atheists aren't religious, they're here at RF to learn, not bash, so please stop bashing this small, minority, fringe, persecuted, unempowered group!

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
It is evidence, fwiw, you can hang any label on it. Atheism was abnormal in humanity, still is, no matter what atheism claims.

"atheism was abnormal"? Well.... using your ... ahem... "definition" of "abnormal"?

The exact same can be said for flat earthers-- round earth belief is 'abnormal', because flat earth came before round earth belief, and most people were quite sure the earth was flat. Just like the bible describes, in fact.

If you go far enough into the past? No humans believed in any gods-- that's a fact you can take to the bank, and cash. This is because those primitive creatures lacked the mental capacity to even visualize "god" or "creator" or any of that hokum.

Do dogs, cats or squirrels worship gods? Was there ever a Dog Jesus? A Squirrel Savior? Why or why not?

What do you have against squirrels, anyway?

leov · Jun 20, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Citations needed. Multiple citations, actually.... otherwise it's simply speculation and conjecture.

I researched it.

Thief · Jun 20, 2019

ChristineM said:
Did i say only passion??? I have never known a preacher who is not passionate about what they say... Even if some of them score a D for thinking

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.

Albert Einstein

A Vestigial Mote · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
Spend time researching, I did.

Which is why you can't point me to resources, right? Ridiculous.

leov · Jun 20, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
"atheism was abnormal"? Well.... using your ... ahem... "definition" of "abnormal"?

The exact same can be said for flat earthers-- round earth belief is 'abnormal', because flat earth came before round earth belief, and most people were quite sure the earth was flat. Just like the bible describes, in fact.

If you go far enough into the past? No humans believed in any gods-- that's a fact you can take to the bank, and cash. This is because those primitive creatures lacked the mental capacity to even visualize "god" or "creator" or any of that hokum.

Do dogs, cats or squirrels worship gods? Was there ever a Dog Jesus? A Squirrel Savior? Why or why not?

What do you have against squirrels, anyway?

Lol, I've heard serious scientists think that we live in a hologram reality...

leov · Jun 20, 2019

A Vestigial Mote said:
Which is why you can't point me to resources, right? Ridiculous.

Start around this: Air pollution causes sperm mutations : Nature News

Bob the Unbeliever · Jun 20, 2019

Unguru said:
Alright high-and-mighty, give us dumb people one single shred of evidence for your 'no god' theory. Aside from a hypothesis that you like, what is your evidence?

So very sorry-- but you have it exactly backwards there, mate.

We do not have a "no god theory". We simply reject the simplistic claim that a "magic super-being made everything".

For a complete and total lack of anything remotely convincing. It's as simple as that.

"Well, then Mr Atheist-- what DID create everything?"

"I have no clue. Why invent Magic to cover a simple 'unknown'? The inclusion of magical things isn't helping."

A Vestigial Mote · Jun 20, 2019

leov said:
Start around this: Air pollution causes sperm mutations : Nature News

Which links to atheism how? Read the article... nothing about atheism in there. Interesting... I think I am beginning to understand more how your mind works, and I have to say - I don't like it.

Road Warrior · Jun 20, 2019

ChristineM said:
2012... Wow...

Interesting that you think that doesn't matter since many here think Trump's comments about the Central Park 5 in 1989 is still relevant...as do I.

No matter. It's your choice to disbelieve that Dawkins remains the same 7 years later. In fact, he's been awful quiet lately. Probably spending his money. LOL

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