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King James only?

sooda

Veteran Member
I should have said Independent Fundamental Baptist...

Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist, or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. The term independent refers to the doctrinal position of church autonomy and a refusal to join any affiliated convention or hierarchical structure.
Independent Baptist - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Baptist
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Cut my teeth on the KJV but will use a variety. Prefer for accuracy, the Greek and Hebrew :) by Strong's concordance.

Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception
https://baptistdeception.com
Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience.

You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception
https://baptistdeception.com
Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience.

You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu.
Not sure why you tagged me that info... I understand the position of the Indepenentt Fundamental Baptist
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You mean the shunning and separation and all that?
They don't fellowship too much with the rest of the body of Christ. We're shunned. Still don't know why you tagged me -- I love the great Body of Christ. :)
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
When it comes to The Holy Bible, is there anyone on here who’s of the “King James Only” persuasion? If so could you please explain your reasons?

See Wikipedia:
King James Only movement - Wikipedia

My church uses the KJV as it's official version. That's what is quoted at church. My church also did it's own version of the KJV, where it added a descriptive header to each chapter and cross referenced versus to other Bible versus and also to our other scriptures such as the Book of Mormon. My Church did not change the language or content of the KJV in so doing. So, the KJV is pretty integral to my study. But, I have considered looking into what other translation may be very good. I'd like to have another version that perhaps clarifies some KJV teachings, where the language gets a bit obscure for me.
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
When it comes to The Holy Bible, is there anyone on here who’s of the “King James Only” persuasion? If so could you please explain your reasons?

See Wikipedia:
King James Only movement - Wikipedia
I believe most KJV only churches.. mostly Independent Babtist or Pentecostal churches believe the other bible versions were translated from corrupted manuscripts out of the Roman Catholic church. The KJV was translated if I remember correctly from the textus receptus. A quote from a site describing origins of the KJV ...

For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. These extant manuscripts were brought together by various editors such as Lucian (AD 250-312), Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, and the Elzevir brothers. The most notable editor of all was Desiderius Erasmus (1466-1536) one of the greatest scholars the world has ever known. When the early Protestant Reformers of the 16th and 17th centuries decided to translate the scriptures directly from Greek into the languages of Europe, they selected Textus Receptus as their foundation Greek document.
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception
https://baptistdeception.com
Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience.

You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu.
I think after reading some of the website you made reference to that the site itself is deceiving... it did explain pretty accurately what Independent Baptists are but the accusations against them are very deceptive.

1. Independent is just that. Non associated with conference as the southern Baptist. Independents fund missionaries Independently and not out of a conference. Missionaries go church to church to get a support prior to going to the field.

2. Not hardly any two Independent Baptist churches are alike so its deceiving to group them all as one.
  • Not all are KJV bible only.
  • Not all have strict standards as dress only for women and no shorts.
  • Not all believe women should only be keepers of the home and not have careers.
  • Some believe in speaking in tongues.
  • Some don't believe in eternal security.
  • Some give the pastor more control, some deacons have more control.
I have also first hand knowledge of Independent fundamental Baptist, being married to one and knowing peoples of the church, and several pastors.

One thing I've noticed of most peoples criticism of strict fundamental churches fail to read their Bibles well when comparing them. The Bible is far more critical on loose living and loose morals than the Independent Baptist of today are. It was written in days of acceptance of Slavery and and total separation of duties an responsibilities of men and women, not to even mention women in the ministry. And don't even think the bible accepts homosexuality or you are just deceiving yourself. Most people who submit themselves today with strict lifestyles and separation are doing it to be pleasing to God as the "word of God" describes godly living and faith. They live every day to be pleasing to God by faith.

So if the bible were to be true and accurate, from what I can see they are definitely trying their best to live by it. Most live a pretty good clean happy life, be a good citizen, and raise happy children.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I think after reading some of the website you made reference to that the site itself is deceiving... it did explain pretty accurately what Independent Baptists are but the accusations against them are very deceptive.

1. Independent is just that. Non associated with conference as the southern Baptist. Independents fund missionaries Independently and not out of a conference. Missionaries go church to church to get a support prior to going to the field.

2. Not hardly any two Independent Baptist churches are alike so its deceiving to group them all as one.
  • Not all are KJV bible only.
  • Not all have strict standards as dress only for women and no shorts.
  • Not all believe women should only be keepers of the home and not have careers.
  • Some believe in speaking in tongues.
  • Some don't believe in eternal security.
  • Some give the pastor more control, some deacons have more control.
I have also first hand knowledge of Independent fundamental Baptist, being married to one and knowing peoples of the church, and several pastors.

One thing I've noticed of most peoples criticism of strict fundamental churches fail to read their Bibles well when comparing them. The Bible is far more critical on loose living and loose morals than the Independent Baptist of today are. It was written in days of acceptance of Slavery and and total separation of duties an responsibilities of men and women, not to even mention women in the ministry. And don't even think the bible accepts homosexuality or you are just deceiving yourself. Most people who submit themselves today with strict lifestyles and separation are doing it to be pleasing to God as the "word of God" describes godly living and faith. They live every day to be pleasing to God by faith.

So if the bible were to be true and accurate, from what I can see they are definitely trying their best to live by it. Most live a pretty good clean happy life, be a good citizen, and raise happy children.

Much of the Bible is myths borrowed from other cultures or prophesy written after the fact...so no, it not altogether accurate or true.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Much of the Bible is myths borrowed from other cultures or prophesy written after the fact...so no, it not altogether accurate or true.
Says who?
I made a study on Mythology and what they say by reading the Egyptian book of the dead, enuma Elish, creation myths etc.
I could not find any similarity on what you claim.
Or did you listen to AchariahS and friends.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Says who?
I made a study on Mythology and what they say by reading the Egyptian book of the dead, enuma Elish, creation myths etc.
I could not find any similarity on what you claim.
Or did you listen to AchariahS and friends.

From the Ugarit and from Sumer and Babylon. The north coast Canaanites from Ras Shamra removed ALL doubt.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
From the Ugarit and from Sumer and Babylon. The north coast Canaanites from Ras Shamra removed ALL doubt.
Great,
Choose your tablets and lets investigate what it says and if it has any relation to the Biblical naratives.
Which one would you like to discuss first?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Great,
Choose your tablets and lets investigate what it says and if it has any relation to the Biblical naratives.
Which one would you like to discuss first?

The Ugarit... If you can get your head around the Ugarit

Ugarit and the Bible, Quartz Hill School of Theology ...
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/ugarit-and-the-bible-quartz-hill-school-of...
Apr 22, 2019 · Ugarit and the Bible 1. Introduction. The ancient Canaanite city-state of Ugarit is of utmost importance for those who study the Old Testament. The literature of the city and the theology contained therein go a very long way in helping us to understand the meaning of various Biblical passages as well as aiding us in deciphering difficult Hebrew words.

Ugaritic texts discovered by French archaeologists in 1929. It is known almost only in the Ugarit texts found in the ruined city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria). It has been used by scholars of the Hebrew Bible to clarify Biblical Hebrew texts.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
You believe Niels Lemke?
Ha!!
You should see how Richard Elliott Friedman, who holds a Th.D from Harvard messed this theory up that the Bible and Exodus was written after the Ugarit texts.
Moses lived in 1500 BC my dear.
The Torah was constructed in about 1440 BC.
Just about 250 years before the Ugarit texts were written.
and please note, I did not ask you to give me some study of a liberal doctor on what he thinks the ancient texts are saying.
I said, post the text, and lets compare it with what the Bible say.
You will be surprised to see what licence of freedom these so called archaeologists employs to prove something that does not exist.
to say, heck, look they are also have El and Yah as demi gods, and this is where Israel got their mythology, is pure wishfull thinking.
What I have learned in Archaeology, is that over the past 200 years, everything the Bible critisizers claimed abouit the Bible being false, was proven to be correct.
There is not a single historical book on Earth that had the undiscovered history revealed over 200 years of archaeology like the Bible did.

Again, go to opensource, choose your ancient manuscript, and lets compare it with the Bible.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
When it comes to The Holy Bible, is there anyone on here who’s of the “King James Only” persuasion? If so could you please explain your reasons?

See Wikipedia:
King James Only movement - Wikipedia
It is difficult to find any version without some mistranslation (substituting "Easter" [after Ishtar of the Babylonian mystery religion] for "Passover", for example), but I prefer the formality of the King James -adds a sense of due reverence.
With any translation, I also check the definitions of the words in the original language -which can show the translation to be incorrect -or show that another translation is also possible (The earth "had become waste and ruin" as opposed to "was formless and void", for example)
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
Much of the Bible is myths borrowed from other cultures or prophesy written after the fact...so no, it not altogether accurate or true.
You misread what I wrote, maybe I should have written it better... I said "if the bible were to be true and accurate ..." Or maybe you are agreeing with me and I'm misreading your comment....
 
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