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Am I an atheist?

Am I an atheist?

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Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Curious George said:
I never said that i would assert your beliefs are not your beliefs. I said that if someone believes the sun is a god that i am an atheist not because i believe the sun does not exist but because i believe the sun is not a god.
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You did
Your words “I assert what you believe is not a God”
I believe God is God, my God.
You saying - what I believe is not what I believe.
 
Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Lee Hays said:
You did
Your words “I assert what you believe is not a God”
I believe God is God, my God.
You saying - what I believe is not what I believe.
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That’s not possible - how can you say I don’t believe in something -
You don’t have too - I don’t care

All atheist care about is Christians - so funny
If you don’t believe - then don’t, why try to prove a negative like its plague?
 
Curious George

Curious George

Veteran Member
Lee Hays said:
You did
Your words “I assert what you believe is not a God”
I believe God is God, my God.
You saying - what I believe is not what I believe.
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Just as if you were to assert 2+2=5 i would assert it is not 5. Now i have no idea what your god concept entails. But ultimately whatever it is i will believe it to be a not-god concept. Most likely thos is so because i believe that what you will describe does not exist. If however you are one to describe something like the sun as a god, then it will not be because it does not exist but rather because i believe what you have described is not a god for some other reason.

In short, i am an atheist because i believe that there is no possible god that both exists and fits into what i consider a god: (roughly) a conscious, intelligent immortal entity that has more control over at least one aspect of the universe than any other living thing.
 
Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Curious George said:
Just as if you were to assert 2+2=5 i would assert it is not 5. Now i have no idea what your god concept entails. But ultimately whatever it is i will believe it to be a not-god concept. Most likely thos is so because i believe that what you will describe does not exist. If however you are one to describe something like the sun as a god, then it will not be because it does not exist but rather because i believe what you have described is not a god for some other reason.

In short, i am an atheist because i believe that there is no possible god that both exists and fits into what i consider a god: (roughly) a conscious, intelligent immortal entity that has more control over at least one aspect of the universe than any other living thing.
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Ok that’s cool -
Religion is a idea - as a whole (not as individual)
To me - sounds like you - are saying to individuals (not religion) that their concepts are not the same as your own. And that’s cool - that’s apart of being human -
Now - if your saying your atheist because there no way any God (or anyone you have heard of - yet) can’t fit into what you believe would be a God.

I think I’m correct on that so far....(?)

But to grasp a concept of a God (not mine - somebody else’s if that ok - idc) you need to think outside of being a human - your only human - you will always think like a human, how could you see God in anything?

Do you believe in aliens?
Is their solid prof?
 
Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Lee Hays said:
Ok that’s cool -
Religion is a idea - as a whole (not as individual)
To me - sounds like you - are saying to individuals (not religion) that their concepts are not the same as your own. And that’s cool - that’s apart of being human -
Now - if your saying your atheist because there no way any God (or anyone you have heard of - yet) can’t fit into what you believe would be a God.

I think I’m correct on that so far....(?)

But to grasp a concept of a God (not mine - somebody else’s if that ok - idc) you need to think outside of being a human - your only human - you will always think like a human, how could you see God in anything?

Do you believe in aliens?
Is their solid prof?
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Do you believe in “a gut feeling”?
Do things happen for a reason?

These concepts are part my concept of God - and they are real - no matter what you assert
 
Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Curious George said:
Just as if you were to assert 2+2=5 i would assert it is not 5. Now i have no idea what your god concept entails. But ultimately whatever it is i will believe it to be a not-god concept. Most likely thos is so because i believe that what you will describe does not exist. If however you are one to describe something like the sun as a god, then it will not be because it does not exist but rather because i believe what you have described is not a god for some other reason.

In short, i am an atheist because i believe that there is no possible god that both exists and fits into what i consider a god: (roughly) a conscious, intelligent immortal entity that has more control over at least one aspect of the universe than any other living thing.
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And by the way 2+2 is 5 if you believe common core...

Do you believe??
 
Curious George

Curious George

Veteran Member
Lee Hays said:
Ok that’s cool -
Religion is a idea - as a whole (not as individual)
To me - sounds like you - are saying to individuals (not religion) that their concepts are not the same as your own. And that’s cool - that’s apart of being human -
Now - if your saying your atheist because there no way any God (or anyone you have heard of - yet) can’t fit into what you believe would be a God.

I think I’m correct on that so far....(?)

But to grasp a concept of a God (not mine - somebody else’s if that ok - idc) you need to think outside of being a human - your only human - you will always think like a human, how could you see God in anything?

Do you believe in aliens?
Is their solid prof?
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One needn't have solid proof for beliefs. Beliefs are shaped by a mere preponderance. I believe that it is more likely than not that some life originated elsewhere in the universe. Now, advanced intelligence that is utilizing resources to visit the earth, that is a stretch. I imagine i could be persuaded of aliens easier than i could be persuaded of gods though.
 
Curious George

Curious George

Veteran Member
Lee Hays said:
Do you believe in “a gut feeling”?
Do things happen for a reason?
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I believe that gut feelings are feelings we have based on observation of patterns. I can observe something and it seems off but i cannot narrow that down or articulate it at the moment. While i believe in gut feelings i also know git feelings can be wrong.

Things happen for a reason? You mean cause and effect? Yes, like freewill we are trapped with this assumption that is and has been beneficial to us. Is it always correct? No, i don't think it is always so.
These concepts are part my concept of God - and they are real - no matter what you assert
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Except those are not traditional god concepts. Traditionally a god concept is an entity of some sort or another. These are not entities or even attributes of entities.
 
Lee Hays

Lee Hays

Member
Curious George said:
I believe that gut feelings are feelings we have based on observation of patterns. I can observe something and it seems off but i cannot narrow that down or articulate it at the moment. While i believe in gut feelings i also know git feelings can be wrong.

Things happen for a reason? You mean cause and effect? Yes, like freewill we are trapped with this assumption that is and has been beneficial to us. Is it always correct? No, i don't think it is always so.

Except those are not traditional god concepts. Traditionally a god concept is an entity of some sort or another. These are not entities or even attributes of entities.
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Dude Are you atheist or not
Traditional God concepts ?
 
sealchan

sealchan

Well-Known Member
sugnim said:
Am I an atheist?

I attend church weekly, and am involved in committees and small groups there. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus, the ones about loving your neighbor and caring for the vulnerable. I don't believe Jesus performed any supernatural miracles or that he raised from the dead. I feel a deep sense of spiritual connection to other people, animals, and plants. I believe that the universe emanated from a single source, and that everything and everyone is connected in a real and profound way. But, I don't believe there is an external spirit being who exists separate from corporeal, living beings. When I talk about "God," I mean the unifying connection that is part of all of us, the fact that we all came from the same big bang and share a common future. And it is this concept of "God" which I believe compels us to care for one another as ourselves. I do not believe there is any being who can hear or answer prayers. And, I do not believe in any kind of afterlife outside of memory, legacy, and decomposition which feeds other life. Am I an atheist?
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I think that if you find the concept of God to be an essential aspect of your understanding of what is true and valuable then you need not consider yourself an atheist. But if you define God as a literal being who can perform supernatural acts then you might consider yourself an atheist.
 
sealchan

sealchan

Well-Known Member
sugnim said:
Am I an atheist?

I attend church weekly, and am involved in committees and small groups there. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus, the ones about loving your neighbor and caring for the vulnerable. I don't believe Jesus performed any supernatural miracles or that he raised from the dead. I feel a deep sense of spiritual connection to other people, animals, and plants. I believe that the universe emanated from a single source, and that everything and everyone is connected in a real and profound way. But, I don't believe there is an external spirit being who exists separate from corporeal, living beings. When I talk about "God," I mean the unifying connection that is part of all of us, the fact that we all came from the same big bang and share a common future. And it is this concept of "God" which I believe compels us to care for one another as ourselves. I do not believe there is any being who can hear or answer prayers. And, I do not believe in any kind of afterlife outside of memory, legacy, and decomposition which feeds other life. Am I an atheist?
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You are not alone.

I identify as Christian but would describe myself as having a believer on one shoulder and an atheist on the other.

For me God exists as a real psychological phenomenon beyond simple conscious choice. And that reality has something to do with the nature of the Universe as a whole and in its many systemic parts. And yet I would also say that God is not a separate, non-psychological entity. Humanity co-creates God as we can see across many cultures both the similarities and differences in the understanding of God.

Furthermore I see myth as a creative art aimed at trying to understand that which is ultimate, trans-rational and meaningful about our experience and that art has been, is and will be alive so long as we exist.
 
sealchan

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Curious George said:
If i worshipped a potato but believed that the potato was just a potato would that potato be my god?

It sounds to me like you are taking advantage of the malleability of the word god in order to relate to others. I wonder how many of us do exactly that.

Define god. If you believed the sun was a god i would call you a theist. Despite my acknowledgment that the sun does indeed exist, i am an atheist. This is not because I assert what you believe doesn't exist, but because i assert that what you believe is not a god.
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Is the Tao a God? Are Taoists atheist?
 
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