Terry Sampson
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Ahhh, ... got it. What a relief! I put a lot of thought into my stereotype.
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Anti-gay bigots are the ones with the problem
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Ahhh, ... got it. What a relief! I put a lot of thought into my stereotype.
There was no causal chain that I put in there. All I was saying was that religion has no monopoly on homophobic behavior and attitudes. I was recounting the homophobic attitudes of when I was growing up, when such attitudes were common among youth, and echoed largely in the mainstream media. I didn't learn about it in church, and my parents were equally mute about the subject. But I picked it up in public schools, from other kids who were mostly non-religious - as well as from popular sitcoms and movies of the time (before political correctness really came on the scene).
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Yes, those kids may have been non religious, however the reason the secular culture was homophobic was because of it's religious roots. Fish have no word for water.
Yes, I think it's largely a cultural thing, of which religion is certainly a big part - but definitely not the only part.
Shad
Veteran Member
Your CDC source covers this question.
Scott C.
Just one guy
The belief that it's a sin to choose to engage in any form of sex that is not between one man and one woman, legally married, and consensual (e.g, pre-marital heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, adultery, polygamy, prostituion, etc.) is not hatred, nor is it bigotry. Holding such a belief is not motivated by desire to harm another. It's simply a belief that one holds as being from God and therefore important. It's presumptuous to assume the amount of love or concern that a person with such religious beliefs has or does not have for others. Are there hateful people who use religious beliefs as an excuse to hate and to persecute? Sure. But certainly those who believe there is no God or who believe God does not care about acts of sexuality, have no superior claim on human kindness, empathy, compassion, or goodness. I love my son who is bisexual, provide him warmth, kindness, and friendship, and want him to be happy, while I continue to believe that the greatest peace and joy is found in keeping God's commandments.
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Shad
Veteran Member
In the experience I brought up seemed like social circles combined with self-doubt during puberty. Perhaps the stigmas from the 80s thus media be it TV or music (Internet was not a common household commodity). Alternatively just outright bullying using social ideas as the weapon of choice.
RedhorseWoman
Active Member
And let us not forget the HIV victims who are intravenous drug users.
RedhorseWoman
Active Member
Probably because gay and bisexual men in the U.S. are 44 times more likely to engage in unprotected sex? It's not the sexual orientation that's the problem, it's irresponsible, unprotected sex, whether it's hetero or homosexual.
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You merely ignored the many ways that sickness can be spread and went straight to the figures for males.
So I went straight for the gun death and injury figures for you, and you replied by saying 'I knew that would come up!.' Well many of us knew that anti-gays would go straight for the 'more than 60% of HIVs are males' stuff. You see?
I just get the feeling of certainty that when HIV is finally reduced and made 'treatable' through medical science (as it seems to be reducing here) that you won't be telling us how pleased you are for the gay community. True? Yes?
So all this stuff is just prejudiced hogwash? Yes? True?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Let me say it again.
When medicine finally smashes the HIV virus down, (our medics in the UK are doing very well and making smashing progress) you won't be holding a street party to celebrate, imo, so please, just admit it, you're totally prejudiced and against sexual equality for all. True? Yes?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
So......... why would such religions ignore hundreds of God's other laws, all written down clearly in the same OT books. ????
So..... NO...... it's not belief but cherry picked bigotry.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I don't think they'd last long if we treated them the way they treat us. Like whenever a Bible discussion comes up and we are asked our opinions, we say "We try to hate the sin but love the sinner."
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Because this thread is about gays and gay and bisexual males were/are primarily responsible for the aids epidemic as we know/knew it, the other reasons are secondary. Everything I have claimed was straight from the CDC, they are facts and facts are not bigoted.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
No, I will probably say "good" and go about my business as usual just like if they came up with a cure for all forms of cancer.
Scott C.
Just one guy
Nope
This whole thread has been derailed by an argument about whether it's a good idea for HIV-positive men to have unprotected anal sex.
I have yet to see an actual secular argument against homosexuality, which is what @Kangaroo Feathers wanted. Is one coming?
I have yet to see an actual secular argument against homosexuality, which is what @Kangaroo Feathers wanted. Is one coming?
I doubt it.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
That's in the US. If you look at stats for the rest of the world, and more specifically for Africa, you'll find that Columbus is exactly right.