Quaker? Now that is interesting. Do you still identify with or as one?
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Nicene Creed-We believe blah de blah blah
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Quaker? Now that is interesting. Do you still identify with or as one?
Yea if any group in christianity its beanite quaker definitely not evangelical.
George fox is a wierd duck in the reformantion movement.. He said forget creeds, inner light. He is correct.
If you go back and carelfully read my posts and answers you will see not a single word is said by me disparaging the christian text. In fact you can read all 5000 posts i have posted and i have never ever said a single negative about the text ever. That text is beyond us today.
That said i am focused in on a particular region of the cranium called the higher functioning region or the intellect. That region can fool itself by its own creation these little things we call letters.
As a father of a severly disabled daughter who cant walk or talk, i have to laugh at how stupid us smart folk are. I include myself always in that idiot group.
I might say when the conversation excludes her i know factually we are off in fantasy land nonsense over thinking it.
Ironically its been claimed i am attacting christianity when in fact i toss atheism into that stupid catagory as well. Apparently that is invisible or the statement creates confusion. Not everyone at their fundemental level believes, does not believe, is agnostic . My daughter certainly is none of the above and neither is her father.
Now the smart folk can say she is stupid. And i am going to get really pissed and say," 2,000 years ago a carpenter said" be as a small child" he is pointing at my daughter 2,000 years in the future.
I have no respect in any form of belief, non belief, agnosticism as it excludes ryann from the discussion. We all could learn a bit from her in how to see correctly. I certainly have.
Beautiful post. Indeed.
Thank you. I am certain if we met we would have a great dialog. Although i am most certain to some it would sound like we were speaking in a tongues! Lol hell i got it on this op by some.!!!! Goofs to smart to be stupid....
Hey narrcisism wears many clothes believing its properly dressed. But it always starts with "i believe i will wear this or that and play make believe".
I will admit that early in this thread I had a hard time figuring out where you were coming from, but I think I get it now. That's the challenge of conversations such as this on a computer, versus in person.
Exactly. I am an experientialst and writing here has zero prosody. So much is not conveyed. Prosody in speaking conveys massive amounts of information. Only poetry when writing can convey that fully. Fiction to a certain degree can too.
My real concern ultimately is enviromental and our perceptions of nature. I am not an enviromentalist in the more traditional sense since i understand the issues as being more deeply problematic in terms of what i would loosly call spiritual rather than resource. In that regard muir was always pointing towards a more spiritual view as opposed to a well managed farm view. He hated that view.
None if that comes easy to express thus here i am to learn how the listener sees. And as such i post things such as "we believe" blah de blah blah to get to that issue we believe and how we percieve.
The post really has zero to do with what the nicene creed is saying. And thus thats why i wrote it blah de blah blah to focus not on that but on the "we believe".... Read the replies, that is for many, is absolutely invisible! Thats a major problem that i am looking at trying to figure out how to express to that blind spot. Art like grace never comes easy.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Constantine was very far from being a theologian, so what he did was to convene the bishops from numerous areas to meet and try and decide what was the "bottom-line base" for Christianity to accept. This was dine in large part because of numerous sects that were claiming that they were the "true church".
Wow effective unlike today! They all want the creed and off to the races we go!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Clarify please?
In a sense everyone wants the nicene creed today. it somehow magically badges the non denominational church as being christian. then all nonsense breaks out depending on the neighborhood !!!
This in the usa though with an ever shrinking denominational structure,and a huge explosion of random churches. I have never heard of any new churches of any size that aren't nicene creedlists.. My tradition quaker originally was not. Very rare. Most if it is today.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
As I said
Riders
Well-Known Member
Come to Texas, they are all Southern Baptists out here, NO Nicene creed!
No they are creedlists for sure.. Its in the fabric of their theology which in some ways is even more nuts. Not suprisingly. Its a bit of a fantasy on their part on the one hand have their theology literally be the nicene creed and at the same time say it has no authority. Its like what the hell even more so with them!!!!! But hey we are talking southern baptists after all.
Didn't see that coming.
I'm appalled at the way everybody is making fun of blah blah blah in this thread.
Don't you realize to some people this is blah-sphemy?
Darn. I'm late to the party again.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for the explanation. In my "theology", the only thing that's given is that nothing should be taken for granted-- at least imo.
I am about experience so i am an odd duck in over intellectualizing world.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That quacks me up!
We are pretty much on the same page if you remember what I posted a couple of times here at RF in regards to how and why I reconverted back to Catholicism based on a lengthy series of experiences over more than a two-year span. Now, mind you, I'm on the lunatic left-wing fringe of Catholicism, and yet the priest OKed my return to the sacraments after I explained why I will always question things largely as a result of my science background.
IOW, I can and always will question, but I also can commit-- and I have.