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For everyone who told me I was stupid to think war with Iran was likely or iminent

Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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Stevicus

Stevicus

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Kangaroo Feathers said:
US to send 1,000 additional troops to the Middle East as tensions escalate with Iran US to send 1,000 additional troops to the Middle East as tensions escalate with Iran

No way that's a first step, huh?
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So, the Pentagon is claiming to have proof that the Iranians were behind the attack on the oil tankers. The Iranians are still denying it. I don't know if there's some kind of third party who can mediate on this, or if it can be hashed out in the UN.

This whole thing seems rather shady overall.

Either the Iranians did it or they didn't. If they did, then why? If they didn't, then who did?

There's still a lot of unanswered questions about this. Why would they attack those specific tankers? If it's a false flag, then whose false flag might it be? Could it be Trump's? Putin's? Perhaps even China or North Korea? Or none of the above.

And if the Iranians really wanted to start a war with the U.S., why do it in such a left-handed way? Why wouldn't they just launch an all-out surprise attack on all US bases and ships in the Gulf?
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Kangaroo Feathers said:
US to send 1,000 additional troops to the Middle East as tensions escalate with Iran US to send 1,000 additional troops to the Middle East as tensions escalate with Iran

No way that's a first step, huh?
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What a War With Iran Would Look Like

the linked article said:
The good news is that the situation is not as bad as it appears. None of the players—with the possible exception of Bolton—seem to really want a war. Iran’s military strategy is to keep tensions at a low boil and avoid a direct confrontation with the United States. Washington struck a tough public posture with its recent troop deployment, but the move was neither consequential nor terribly unusual. If the United States were truly preparing for a war, the flow of military assets into the region would be much more dramatic.
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That's part of the abstract.

Escalating U.S.-Iran Tensions: What’s Next?

That article speculates on the possibilities.

This one suggests its time to make a deal: Taking on Tehran
 
David1967

David1967

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Stevicus said:
So, the Pentagon is claiming to have proof that the Iranians were behind the attack on the oil tankers. The Iranians are still denying it. I don't know if there's some kind of third party who can mediate on this, or if it can be hashed out in the UN.

This whole thing seems rather shady overall.

Either the Iranians did it or they didn't. If they did, then why? If they didn't, then who did?

There's still a lot of unanswered questions about this. Why would they attack those specific tankers? If it's a false flag, then whose false flag might it be? Could it be Trump's? Putin's? Perhaps even China or North Korea? Or none of the above.

And if the Iranians really wanted to start a war with the U.S., why do it in such a left-handed way? Why wouldn't they just launch an all-out surprise attack on all US bases and ships in the Gulf?
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I agree. This whole thing is surreal.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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David1967 said:
I agree. This whole thing is surreal.
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Trump is risking trillions of dollars, millions of lives, & all for what?
We stand to gain nothing we didn't already have.
This appears to be about religion (Christians & Jews vs Muslims) more than anything else.
 
David1967

David1967

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Revoltingest said:
Trump is risking trillions of dollars, millions of lives, & all for what?
We stand to gain nothing we didn't already have.
This appears to be about religion (Christians & Jews vs Muslims) more than anything else.
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What would Iran have to gain by provoking the US into a war?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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David1967 said:
I agree. This whole thing is surreal.
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Some potential irony....
If Trump actually does start a war with Iran, it could cement his
victory in the upcoming election. Yet this very act should be what
would send him packing back to private life.
And then we'll hear all sorts of vapid bi-partisan patriot claptrap
like "Support the troops!" to justify continuing it year after year.
 
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Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Stevicus said:
So, the Pentagon is claiming to have proof that the Iranians were behind the attack on the oil tankers. The Iranians are still denying it. I don't know if there's some kind of third party who can mediate on this, or if it can be hashed out in the UN.

This whole thing seems rather shady overall.

Either the Iranians did it or they didn't. If they did, then why? If they didn't, then who did?

There's still a lot of unanswered questions about this. Why would they attack those specific tankers? If it's a false flag, then whose false flag might it be? Could it be Trump's? Putin's? Perhaps even China or North Korea? Or none of the above.

And if the Iranians really wanted to start a war with the U.S., why do it in such a left-handed way? Why wouldn't they just launch an all-out surprise attack on all US bases and ships in the Gulf?
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This looks like war to me, too.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Revoltingest said:
Some potential irony....
If Trump actually does start a war with Iran, it could cement his victory in the upcoming election. Yet this very act should be what would send him packing back to private life.
And then we'll hear all sorts of vapid bi-partisan patriot claptrap like "Support the troops!" to justify continuing it year after year.
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If I put myself into the president's shoes I think what he would prefer is to annoy the Democrats and sugar talk the republican voters. I don't think he's too concerned about Iran per se. He'll extend a diplomatic solution soon. This event with the tankers is a sign of Iran weakening.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Brickjectivity said:
If I put myself into the president's shoes I think what he would prefer is to annoy the Democrats and sugar talk the republican voters. I don't think he's too concerned about Iran per se. He'll extend a diplomatic solution soon. This event with the tankers is a sign of Iran weakening.
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Whatever his motives, the actions he's taking are very risky.
Risk taking should have an upside to justify the downside.
Domestic politics is no good reason to threaten war.
 
David1967

David1967

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Revoltingest said:
Some potential irony....
If Trump actually does start a war with Iran, it could cement his victory in the upcoming election. Yet this very act should be what would send him packing back to private life.
And then we'll hear all sorts of vapid bi-partisan patriot claptrap like "Support the troops!" to justify continuing it year after year.
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I'm feeling a little deja Vu from 2003
 
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