Who will get to heaven?

Road Warrior said:

One would have to assume that "Higher Level where Unconditional Love lives" exists.

FWIW, love and hate are emotions; human traits which limit us. IMHO, "God" just is and the same for whatever lies beyond the natural universe, if anything.

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Everyone is capable of creating Unconditional Love. On the other hand, people choose other choices which is part of the education process. The system is geared to teach Unconditional Love so that will be the end result. The time-based causal nature of this universe is perfect for learning.

People think that God will poof and create a Heavenly state for them. In reality, one must learn to create that Heavenly state before it is possible. There is much to learn. It could never be learned in one mere lifetime.

We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. I have direct experience to this. On the other hand, this physical world provides so much sensory input that it's easy to be seduced into thinking that is all there is.

People have two halves: The Reason half and the Emotional half. One should always lead with the Reason half. Why? If one leads with the Emotional half, one could get lost in a sea of emotions. It's never fun to be lost.

You are right. Love and Hate are emotions and what would life be without emotions? On the other hand, reason should still lead. Why? When one thinks then acts, the results are better in most cases than simply reacting.

Do human traits really limit us? For the most part, I think we limit ourselves. In time, we will learn not to do this.

The first thing God pointed out to me was that mankind carries such a narrow view. I cry that! I work on mine every day.

Well, that's my view.

Road Warrior said:

Dude, no doubt everyone can acknowledge your knowledge of scripture but to those who take it with a grain of salt, especially its blatant falsehoods, then you just appear to be as big of a jerk as the atheists.

If you want to convert people, IMO, don't be a Bible-thumper screaming scripture at people. Better for you to explain why science says the Earth is over 4.5B years old yet the Bible only says it's about 6000 years old or how Jonah could live inside a whale for 3 days....or why God murdered babies and the unborn in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Probably

Road Warrior said:

Awesome. Thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion.

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such is philosophy

shall I assume you disagree?

and your denial will be unsubstantiated

Gerry said:

Probably

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Try both methods and see which works better for you.

Road Warrior said:

why God murdered babies and the unborn in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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so a bad social trend had started up
and needed to be put down

flood techniques work but the trend returns

so maybe fire from heaven?

or maybe prophets doing miracles....????

or maybe silence and let the nonbelievers take over

let the spirit of Man die

Thief said:

such is philosophy

shall I assume you disagree?

and your denial will be unsubstantiated

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Agreed.

Yes.

Correct.

Thief said:

so a bad social trend had started up
and needed to be put down

flood techniques work but the trend returns

so maybe fire from heaven?

or maybe prophets doing miracles....????

or maybe silence and let the nonbelievers take over

let the spirit of Man die

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My major was in Behavioral Psychology, but my Masters was in International Relations. Both taught me how to recognize nutjobs irrational people.

Have a nice day, sir.

Road Warrior said:

My major was in Behavioral Psychology, but my Masters was in International Relations. Both taught me how to recognize nutjobs irrational people.

Have a nice day, sir.

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and having participated in a debate
unsubstantiated

you might justify your participation...?

or maybe you think yourself a prophet of nonbelief?
and anyone who disagrees with you is a nut job?

and that makes you a standard of sanity?

Thief said:

and having participated in a debate
unsubstantiated
you might justify your participation...?
or maybe you think yourself a prophet of nonbelief?
and anyone who disagrees with you is a nut job?
and that makes you a standard of sanity?

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I'm content to let the majority of readers on this forum decide the standard of sanity. Are you? Or will you claim all of them are wrong too?

Road Warrior said:

I'm content to let the majority of readers on this forum decide the standard of sanity. Are you? Or will you claim all of them are wrong too?

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you say my arguments are unsubstantiated
and that makes me a nutjob?

your line drawn

not mine

Thief said:

you say my arguments are unsubstantiated
and that makes me a nutjob?

your line drawn

not mine

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No, it doesn't.

You, sir

Are the one

drawing lines

and so I reiterate.....a third time

you end up alongside others that think and feel as you do

England my lionheart said:

The "soon coming time of separation" has been coming soon for a very long time, there's no reason to suggest otherwise.

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Sure, there is reason to suggest otherwise:
First, we would have to see fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Before now we have Not seen the international fullfillment on such a vast global scale as today.
This means we are now at the ' final phase ' about proclaiming about God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
So, what is next is the ' final signal ', so to speak, as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Road Warrior said:

If you want to convert people, IMO, don't be a Bible-thumper screaming scripture at people. Better for you to explain why science says the Earth is over 4.5B years old yet the Bible only says it's about 6000 years old or how Jonah could live inside a whale for 3 days....or why God murdered babies and the unborn in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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I wonder where you read the Earth is only 6,000 years old. No where does Scripture teach that.
Scripture does Not even inform us how long each of the creative days were.
We do Not know if they are of the same length of time or of differing lengths of time.
ALL of the creative days are simply summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
Also, God's 7th rest day is still on going according to Hebrews 4:4-11.

Parents are responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14
God can read hearts, we can't, so God knows when there is the point of No return.
Those wicked parents would raise their children to wicked as they were.
Such wickedness would only bring harm to righteous ones.
This is why the coming executional words from Jesus' mouth will prove to be justice for the righteous.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

Where does anyone read ' whale ' in the Jonah account with the BIG fish.
I did read a news clipping back in the late 60's about a man who was swallowed by a BIG fish.
The fish did spit him out, he was rescued, and the man was able to walk although he was ghostly pasty white.

lostwanderingsoul said:

.......... This one is about "Who will get to heaven". I only ask people who believe in going to heaven to show me a Bible verse that says anything about this.....

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Only some people like those of Luke 22:28-30 will go to heaven to reign with Christ - Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10.
The majority of mankind I find can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth to become part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth - Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:21-22

URAVIP2ME said:

Only some people like those of Luke 22:28-30 will go to heaven to reign with Christ - Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10.
The majority of mankind I find can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth to become part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth - Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:21-22

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All pretty nonsensical if you think about it logically.

URAVIP2ME said:

I wonder where you read the Earth is only 6,000 years old. No where does Scripture teach that.
Scripture does Not even inform us how long each of the creative days were.
We do Not know if they are of the same length of time or of differing lengths of time.
ALL of the creative days are simply summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
Also, God's 7th rest day is still on going according to Hebrews 4:4-11.

Parents are responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14
God can read hearts, we can't, so God knows when there is the point of No return.
Those wicked parents would raise their children to wicked as they were.
Such wickedness would only bring harm to righteous ones.
This is why the coming executional words from Jesus' mouth will prove to be justice for the righteous.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

Where does anyone read ' whale ' in the Jonah account with the BIG fish.
I did read a news clipping back in the late 60's about a man who was swallowed by a BIG fish.
The fish did spit him out, he was rescued, and the man was able to walk although he was ghostly pasty white.

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Incorrect since it does. Do the math. Others already have: How Old Is the Earth?

Genesis says "a day". Moving the goalposts to "creative days" means the Bible is wrong, otherwise why use the term "day"? Why not say "eternal period" or some other term? No matter your answer, it does effect the literal veracity of Genesis. Now, if you concede it's parable, that's a different matter.

URAVIP2ME said:

Only some people like those of Luke 22:28-30 will go to heaven to reign with Christ - Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10.
The majority of mankind I find can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth to become part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth - Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:21-22

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Yhank you for trying but none of these verses uses the word hraven. Please feel free to try again.

URAVIP2ME said:

Sure, there is reason to suggest otherwise:
First, we would have to see fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Before now we have Not seen the international fullfillment on such a vast global scale as today.
This means we are now at the ' final phase ' about proclaiming about God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
So, what is next is the ' final signal ', so to speak, as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

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That's if you believe Matthew Daniel etc are right,there have been many battles in meggido aka armageddon,last one in 1918 I think,it's possible there could be another of course given how things are in the middle East but no sign of anything supernatural.

Road Warrior said:

We know the Big Bang happened. We know what happened after. So what came before....if such a question can be asked for an event that began prior to the beginning of Space-Time. Do we just disregard that? Scientifically, yes. Philosophically, no. ...

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While I agree, the concept of "before time" cannot be logically conceived. It's like trying to discuss negative length.