Anti-gay bigots are the ones with the problem

Stanyon said:

Irresponsible is irresponsible no matter who is doing it but with gay and bisexual males you have a far greater risk to society in terms of a potentially deadly disease. As reported by the CDC gay and bisexual males make up a very small minority, ~%4 of U.S. population

Taking that into account how many of the ~%4 of the gay and bisexual male population in the U.S. do you estimate are practicing unsafe sex practices?

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What exactly are you proposing?

Here are some other stats for you:-
An estimated 15,458 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2015, and approximately 658,507 people in the United States with an AIDS diagnosis have died overall.

...and...

13 Dec 2018 - 40,000 people were killed in shootings last year amid a growing number of suicides involving firearms, CDC reveals.

See it this way.......... you might wish to protect guns with your 2nd amendment despite the gun deaths.

Other folks might wish to protect sexual freedom with Human Rights legislation. ??

And if you're not having unprotected sex outside of a closed relationship then you've got no worries.

oldbadger said:

And so 43% with diagnosed HIV are heterosexuals?

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Considering that it is estimated that gay and bisexual men in the U.S. only make up about ~%4 of the population yet make up ~%57 of HIV diagnoses should tell you a little something, they are vastly disproportionately represented.

Stanyon said:

Why are gay and bisexual men in the U.S. 44 times more likely to contract the HIV/AIDS virus than heterosexuals if it is just about unprotected sex and not sexual preference?

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Because HIV is a bigger problem for gay men than straight men.
Why did you flip flop between the global pandemic and a small health issue in the USA?
Why do you avoid the single biggest health issue concerning irresponsible sex, procreation?
Why do you keep bringing up irrelevant points about irresponsible sex, and then dodging them?
Tom

The United States

In the United States, gay and bisexual men are the population most affected by HIV. Among all gay and bisexual men, African Americans are the racial/ethnic group most affected by HIV."

"In the United States, gay and bisexual men are the population most affected by HIV. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 67% of the new HIV diagnoses in the United States and six dependent areas."

"Anal sex. Most gay and bisexual men get HIV from having anal sex without using condoms or without taking medicines to prevent or treat HIV. Anal sex is the riskiest type of sex for getting HIV or passing it on to others (called HIV transmission)."


HIV and Gay and Bisexual Men Understanding HIV/AIDS

The world

"Since the start of the epidemic, an estimated 77.3 million people have become infected with HIV and 35.4 million people have died of AIDS-related illnesses. In 2017, 940,000 people died of AIDS-related illnesses. This number has reduced by more than 51% (1.9 million) since the peak in 2004 and 1.4 million in 2010."

"The vast majority of people living with HIV are located in low- and middle- income countries, with an estimated 66% living in sub-Saharan Africa. Among this group 19.6 million are living in East and Southern Africa which saw 800,000 new HIV infections in 2017."

Global HIV and AIDS statistics

columbus said:

I think it's the opposite.
They want confirmation that HIV is a gay disease and they can get all judgemental about it, because they're not gay.

It reminds me of a problem I had back in the late 80s, early 90s.
My sleazier heterosexual friends seemed not to recognize that they were in more danger of HIV than I was. They thought that HIV was a gay disease. The fact that they were screwing around irresponsibly, and I was in a monogamous relationship, didn't register on them. They did not grasp that it was unprotected sex, not gay sex, that was the problem. I tried to convince them differently, but to little avail.
They were straight. AIDS was a queer disease. They weren't going to change their behavior over a queer disease. Because they were straight.

Tom

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Absolutely!
Closed relationships are safe relationships.

In the UK hemophiliacs and anybody who needed blood transfusions were in deadly danger of HIV, Hepatitis and other infections because of our 'Contaminated Blood Transfusion' disgrace. We're just facing up to what happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's now.

In the 90's I was tested for HIV and had to wait for several weeks for the results of blood tests. I couldn't make love to my girlfriend or anything. It was a horrid time. Why? I got bit whilst arresting a thief. Fortunately I was clear....... my girlfrioend broke down when she heard I was OK, she had held up fior all that time, putting a brave face on things.

So I know that the bigots only look where they want to look.

oldbadger said:

13 Dec 2018 - 40,000 people were killed in shootings last year amid a growing number of suicides involving firearms, CDC reveals.

See it this way.......... you might wish to protect guns with your 2nd amendment despite the gun deaths.

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I guess that is a way to not deal with the facts of the original subject and I knew it would come up eventually but here's a few facts for you to think about for your next postings:

-Guns are inanimate objects, they will do nothing except collect dust if it left alone

- Most deaths in the U.S. are by suicides, almost 2/3 and up until recent years it was illegal (never understood that one but it is what it was, what are they going to do, give you the death penalty? LOL!)

-Police chiefs around the nation estimate that ~%60 of gun violence (the other 1/3) is drug and or gang related so what are you left with?

The question:
Why should I give up my rights because someone else might kill themselves? Not my fault they think their life sucks

But that is for another thread

Stanyon said:

So why are gay and bisexual males in the U.S. 44 times more likely to contract the HIV/AIDS virus?

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Got any proofs of that?

Over here blood transfusions, dentists, operations, gay and hetero sex, getting bitten, bad needles, all kinds of causes exist for hepatitis, aids etc.

I don't think you're interested in the mass of causes, are you?

I got bit whilst arresting a thief in 91. Had to wait weeks for results of my blood test. And when folks heard I was being tested they dumped me. Scumbags and bigots every one. At least the test did me that favour, it showed me who mattered and who did not.

columbus said:

Because HIV is a bigger problem for gay men than straight men.

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Why are gay and bisexual men 44 times more likely to contract AIDS?

Stanyon said:

I guess that is a way to not deal with the facts of the original subject and I knew it would come up eventually but here's a few facts for you to think about for your next postings:

-Guns are inanimate objects, they will do nothing except collect dust if it left alone

- Most deaths in the U.S. are by suicides, almost 2/3 and up until recent years it was illegal (never understood that one but it is what it was, what are they going to do, give you the death penalty? LOL!)

-Police chiefs around the nation estimate that ~%60 of gun violence (the other 1/3) is drug and or gang related so what are you left with?

The question:
Why should I give up my rights because someone else might kill themselves? Not my fault they think their life sucks

But that is for another thread

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You bit, then!

You see?

So why should Gays be singled out for self-righteous prejudice because of their sexuality?

Over here there are many many reasons how HIV and hepatitis got transmitted. The list is HUGE.

Just stop worrying about Gays. They won't worry too much about all your guns, some may even be in to guns as well?

Question:-
So you want to outlaw homosexuality? Yes.... or No?

oldbadger said:

Got any proofs of that? .

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It's a statistic from the CDC (Centre for Disease Control)

Stanyon said:

• Two-thirds of all new HIV infections each year (68 percent, or an estimated 26,400 infections in 2016). While CDC estimates that 4 percent of men in the United States are gay or bisexual, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among them is more than 44 times that of other men. Stage 4 HIV, or AIDS, continues to claim the lives of too many gay and bisexual men. Since the beginning of the epidemic, more than 325,000 gay and bisexual men with AIDS have died."
HIV among Gay and Bisexual Men

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JJ50 said:

All women should have the absolute right to have an abortion until the foetus is viable.

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What do you consider viable?

Stanyon said:

It's a statistic from the CDC (Centre for Disease Control)

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OK.....
That's your country so you know where to look.
Please tell me: How many infections were caused by dentists in the USA since, say, 1980?

I picked one cause out of a big list.

Stanyon said:

Why are gay and bisexual men 44 times more likely to contract AIDS?

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Where does this happen?
Here in the USA, queers are taught from an early age that they're worth nothing. They're hell bound freaks, who deserve whatever they get. They are taught that they may as well drink and drug and screw themselves to death, because Jesus and God hate them and are looking forward to sending them to Eternal Damnation! And their Christian helpers are happy to get that process started as soon as possible, because God Hates F×gs.

So why do you think that gay people are more likely to contract AIDS than het people?
Tom

oldbadger said:

why should Gays be singled out {edit} because of their sexuality?

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I never suggested that lesbians should be singled out, they pose no risk to greater society.

oldbadger said:

Just stop worrying about Gays.

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Kangaroo Feathers wanted to see a different take on this and I gave him one based in secular scientific fact with reliable sources to back up every single claim.

Kangaroo Feathers said:

I'm yet to see an argument against homosexuality that doesn't ultimately boil down to; "my religion says it's wrong, traditionally it's been unacceptable" or "I personally find it icky".

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Stanyon said:

I never suggested that lesbians should be singled out, they pose no risk to greater society.

Kangaroo Feathers wanted a to see a different take on this and I gave him one based in secular scientific fact with reliable sources to back up every single claim.

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Just stop worrying about Gays.
There is no risk for any couples if they are 'closed'.

If you want to help, just keep broadcasting to people in general to be in closed couples.

As for Polyamory, there's no risk if the group is closed.

Folks are probably more likely to die in car-crashes now than thru' HIV, to be honest.

columbus said:

Where does this happen?
Here in the USA, queers are taught from an early age that they're worth nothing. They're hell bound freaks, who deserve whatever they get. They are taught that they may as well drink and drug and screw themselves to death, because Jesus and God hate them and are looking forward to sending them to Eternal Damnation! And their Christian helpers are happy to get that process started as soon as possible, because God Hates F×gs.

So why do you think that gay people are more likely to contract AIDS than het people?
Tom

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what a load of complete bollocks, you even quoted Fred Phelps in your desperate attempt to blame someone else for their own life decisions that affect others.

oldbadger said:

Just stop worrying about Gays.

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There is no worrying to it and the thread was about gays, I merely reported facts as stated by the CDC.
Facts are not bigoted

oldbadger said:

Folks are probably more likely to die in car-crashes now than thru' HIV, to be honest.

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Because pretty much everyone owns at least one or two cars and it is estimated that there are about 263 million cars in the U.S. with a population of about 328 million?

Terry Sampson said:

Whoa!!! Really?? You've just bombed a fragile, self-constructed, personal stereotype that I've constructed over the last two decades. Granted, it's not a rock-solid, hardened stereotype and I'll abandon it if I must; but I'm just not ready to do so yet. Do you personally know of such occurrences or have sources for that claim?

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.........it was a joke........ (although not false, so straight I could be a lesbian, get it?)

Stanyon said:

Why are gay and bisexual men 44 times more likely to contract AIDS?

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Lack of proper sexual education?
Using drugs due to homelessness? (ie being kicked out for being gay *ahem ahem ahem*)
Higher rates of promiscuity in the subcultures?
Unknowingly being infected and therefore spreading it?

There’s a a lot of nuance that hard data tends to ignore. I think a better strategy than simply condemning gay and bisexual behaviour is rigorous in depth frank sexual health education beginning very young and stressing the hell out of using condoms.
And boosting the self esteem of young gay people might also help.

Though in all honesty, pretty sure a hell of a lot of heterosexuals have died due to various STDs.
And globally speaking, I don’t think US HIV stats are at an epidemic level right now.