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Introversion or the Journey Inward

Samana Johann

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The Buddha said...
If following the fake-quotes page, even the trading Manager there is open to sects, householder would see saying that a serious similar quote of it: "This isn’t the Buddha speaking, but it’s one of the best-known Buddhist quotes.", and the quoted is from a later Chinese Sect.

But may householder go on with his outwardly observings, taking them as inwardly and real.
 
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Windwalker

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Jesus is talking to them collectively not as individuals, so he is not saying that it is the Kingdom of God is within them as individuals (that would be against everything he teaches) but as a community of believers, as an emancipatory collective of oppressed people harmoniously working towards their liberation as a church.
I completely disagree that the Kingdom of God within you goes against what Jesus teaches. What do you think Paul was doing then teaching that? "Christ in you", is God in you, is Spirit in you." That is very clearly a teaching of the Kingdom of God being in you. It's the domain of Spirit, residing inside you.

If you believe it meant "among you", then where was it? It wasn't physically there, as it is not physical, for one thing. But it would have been inside those who were believers as they walked amongst those he was addressing. So, it's still inside. Where else could it be? On a planet? In the clouds? On the other side of a black hole?
 
This is correct. His audience was the poor and the outcast, he was telling them that the Kingdom of God was and is among them has a congregation of love and support doing the work of Holy Spirit that would later come to dwell in them at Pentecost.
This would be the response of the intellect unaware of the non-physical nature of Spirituality. Peace
 

sealchan

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if the kingdom of heaven is within, can it be found without turning inward first?

Without enough introversion to realize the space of our subjective psychology there is not enough substance in the form of personal identity to even bother with the question of "who wants to experience heaven?"

IMO the kingdom of heaven IS the soul aka spirit aka personal psyche. The degrees of personal freedom we experience as such is the degree to which our spirit is more powerful than the world in which it finds itself. Then the world becomes subservient to a greater reality which is our freedom to act within this world.

I see that the kingdom of heaven is not another reality but a dominion within this one reality in which our souls are free and able to choose what is optimal for our moral and rational sensibilities and not be confounded by our more limited physical and instinctual needs. This requires that we create an environment on Earth that is supportive of the physical and instinctual needs of everyone as well as developing a discipline of mind and heart that enables us to move beyond reactionary responses to each little transgression.
 
I completely disagree that the Kingdom of God within you goes against what Jesus teaches. What do you think Paul was doing then teaching that? "Christ in you", is God in you, is Spirit in you." That is very clearly a teaching of the Kingdom of God being in you. It's the domain of Spirit, residing inside you.

If you believe it meant "among you", then where was it? It wasn't physically there, as it is not physical, for one thing. But it would have been inside those who were believers as they walked amongst those he was addressing. So, it's still inside. Where else could it be? On a planet? In the clouds? On the other side of a black hole?
Within Man is the Soul, and a part of the Soul is the Spirit, which is the essence of God within Man. The entire Creation is an Illusion for we Souls to discover what Neutral Spiritual Energy can be, do, and create. Peace
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
This would be the response of the intellect unaware of the non-physical nature of Spirituality. Peace
And this would be the response of the acolytes of self-centered navel-gazing do-nothing syncretistic Dunning-Kruger Eastern religions that don't know, understand or respect the cultures and traditions of others.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
And this would be the response of the acolytes of self-centered navel-gazing do-nothing syncretistic Dunning-Kruger Eastern religions that don't know, understand or respect the cultures and traditions of others.
as someone mentioned, first clean the inside of the cup, and the outside will be clean too. it isn't what goes into us that defiles us, but what comes out., or what is outside of us.

or better still


Matthew 6:22
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.


Matthew 6:23
But if thine eye be evil, dual, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


or as Jesus said, what ever you do to those you think the least of, you do unto me too.

this is what the Name of names implies
 
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The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
it isn't what goes into us that defiles us, but what comes out
And what comes out of people who don't respect the traditions and cultures of others is cultural appropriation and theft. You don't get to take my traditions and rape them just as you don't get to take the traditions and beliefs of Native Americans, Chinese, Hindus and others and do or interpret them anyway you want, decent people respect and celebrate the differences between them, something you fail to do.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
And what comes out of people who don't respect the traditions and cultures of others is cultural appropriation and theft. You don't get to take my traditions and rape them just as you don't get to take the traditions and beliefs of Native Americans, Chinese, Hindus and others and do or interpret them anyway you want, decent people respect and celebrate the differences between them, something you fail to do.



Matt 15:1-Matt 15:3 KJV Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Matt 15:1-Matt 15:3 KJV Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Thou shall not steal
 

Windwalker

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And what comes out of people who don't respect the traditions and cultures of others is cultural appropriation and theft. You don't get to take my traditions and rape them just as you don't get to take the traditions and beliefs of Native Americans, Chinese, Hindus and others and do or interpret them anyway you want, decent people respect and celebrate the differences between them, something you fail to do.
Who came up with them in the first place? Were they following a tradition? How do you believe new insights can happen if everything must be chiseled in stone to have value and truth?
 

Windwalker

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And the KJV is rife with translation errors which is why serious students of the Bible avoid it.
It is also how other translations translate it. Not everything in the KJV is wrong, just because some things are. Entos, is still entos, and is always translated inside, unless it doesn't fit with your theology that is. Exactly where was it "among them"? In the believers? In the inside of believers? ;)

So where exactly is the Kingdom of God then, if not within us? Does it physically exist somewhere with literal streets and a city government of angels and whatnot? Is it in the clouds? On another planet? Underneath the polar ice caps? On the other side of a black hole? Why can't it be inside of you, like the Bible says? Doesn't it say clearly that Christ is in you? Why is this so hard for Christians to grasp?
 
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Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

Which is why the passage in question correctly reads, "ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν," that is to say, "The Kingdom of God is in your midst.”"


Notice how this construction differs from what we find at Matthew 23:26: "καθάρισον πρῶτον τὸ ἐντὸς τοῦ ποτηρίου καὶ τῆς παροψίδος," that is to say, "cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the dish."
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Which is why the passage in question correctly reads, "ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν," that is to say, "The Kingdom of God is in your midst.”"


Notice how this construction differs from what we find at Matthew 23:26: "καθάρισον πρῶτον τὸ ἐντὸς τοῦ ποτηρίου καὶ τῆς παροψίδος," that is to say, "cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the dish."

midst implies the core, or center of self. it doesn't imply something that is separate from self.

it goes to state of mind. to the state of one's spirit. jesus was speaking to people about their state of minds


even in the translation it implies the interior of something, the center of something, the core,

so if the spirit, the mind counts for everything and the flesh for nothing, then mind is creator of the problem/solution.

Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. that is let them that have ears hear what the mind says to the body


foolish is as foolish does
 
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