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Is God a "deadbeat dad"?

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
All I can tell is that you adapted a wrong concept about what it is.

A father has only one object to apply his love, it's he's sons and daughters but not someone else. Christianity is about God as a Shepherd and His sheep, not the wolves or their wannabes.
God is harsh to His chosen people Israel such that they can be trained up to be His faithful messengers to carry forward His Bible across history to reach today's humans for His today's sheep to be saved.

Calling God a deadbeat dad may be harsh, yet I feel there are some problems with the opposing narrative. It hasn't been explained how people born to this Earth cannot be God's if God set the world into motion. I suspect eventually we will get into Job in explaining it and how we are on an Earth where the devil can test people, who is stronger than humans, and that if we don't turn to Christ to overcome the devil, we get eternal punishment. Maybe it's just me.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I'm getting tired now, it's been a long day but I feel I've had a productive evening, I'm not going to argue with you over what scripture says...

You have just mentioned "the universal father", I like that phrase, I would say that God is a "universal father", just not a "personal father"...

I believe he didn't create us (i.e. us humans, say me and you) directly but I acknowledge that he created us indirectly, that he is responsible for the original humans coming into existence - I believe that parenthood (as we understand it) has to involve direct creation, not indirect creation, hence God is I'd say an indirect parent, rather than a direct parent as he created us indirectly, via our ancestors

I'm sticking to "our great great great grandfather who are in heaven" - in some families children are raised by their grandparents, and the role they play is parental, but not literally parental. And of course, our grandparents brought about our parents into existence and are therefore responsible for us being here, but indirectly

Is God an indirect parent? Yes. Is he a direct parent? No. Does this matter? I don't think it does...

But is he a dad? No, but possibly a father-figure for us to look up to. And of course, many people have a better relationship with him than they do their mother and/or father, which I think is a very sad thing
I'm sorry for exhausting you.
Let me assure you, I understand the point you are making, and if I found that the argument was valid, I would agree with you, but I can't for the reasons I mentioned before - primarily that you are making a comparison that cannot be fairly applied.

Let me try to make it clearer.
What makes a person a father?
.It is not only because he seeded life, because there are persons who are fathers to children whom the did not seed.
A father is the male parent of a child. Besides the paternal bonds of a father to his children, the father may have a parental, legal, and social relationship with the child that carries with it certain rights and obligations. An adoptive father is a male who has become the child's parent through the legal process of adoption. A biological father is the male genetic contributor to the creation of the infant, through sexual intercourse or sperm donation.

In that case, God is father, not only because he is creator, but because he lovingly acts as a parent to his creation.
Psalm 145:16 You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

Parenting or child rearing is the process of promoting and supporting the physical, emotional, social, and intellectual development of a child from infancy to adulthood. Parenting refers to the intricacies of raising a child and not exclusively to the biological relationship.

You may be thinking that God does not raise babies in a direct sense, and you would be right, if you are using an unbalanced comparison, but if we balance the comparison, I think we should accept the fact that a baby does not give their life to God. We do that when we are old enough to make an informed choice. So I would say, it is at that point, we are babes.

Hebrews 5:13 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

That takes us back to what the Bible says regarding children of God.
So for me there is no question that God is both a father, and parent.

I can agree with you on some things, but when it comes to the Bible, I don't pick and choose what I will believe, and what I will ignore.
I may as well throw away the Bible in that case.
To me, that amounts to doing the opposite of what Proverbs 3:5 says, and I don't think it shows humility either. It would seem like I am being wise in my own eyes, believing that human wisdom is somehow superior to God's.
Job learned his lesson well, and he learned partly from creation.
I always keep the sun in mind, and remember, 'I can't make that.' I think it reminds me to be humble.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Calling God a deadbeat dad may be harsh, yet I feel there are some problems with the opposing narrative. It hasn't been explained how people born to this Earth cannot be God's if God set the world into motion. I suspect eventually we will get into Job in explaining it and how we are on an Earth where the devil can test people, who is stronger than humans, and that if we don't turn to Christ to overcome the devil, we get eternal punishment. Maybe it's just me.
I don't see it as a case of, 'if we don't turn to Christ, then we get this, or that'.
I see it as Isaiah 48:17, 18 says, and Deuteronomy 30:19, 20.
Our loving father is telling us what is good for us and urging us to choose the wise course and avoid death.
To me, it's like a source of water on the border of a desert. We are being urged to stay close to the water source, rather than disconnect ourselves from it, in order to travel into the desert. Perhaps someone has misled us into believing that there is something better, beyond the desert.
Ezekiel 18:32 “‘I do not take any pleasure in the death of anyone,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘So turn back and live.’”
Ezekiel 33:11 “As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die. . .
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
I'm sorry for exhausting you.
Let me assure you, I understand the point you are making, and if I found that the argument was valid, I would agree with you, but I can't for the reasons I mentioned before - primarily that you are making a comparison that cannot be fairly applied.

Let me try to make it clearer.
What makes a person a father?
.It is not only because he seeded life, because there are persons who are fathers to children whom the did not seed.
A father is the male parent of a child. Besides the paternal bonds of a father to his children, the father may have a parental, legal, and social relationship with the child that carries with it certain rights and obligations. An adoptive father is a male who has become the child's parent through the legal process of adoption. A biological father is the male genetic contributor to the creation of the infant, through sexual intercourse or sperm donation.

In that case, God is father, not only because he is creator, but because he lovingly acts as a parent to his creation.
Psalm 145:16 You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

Parenting or child rearing is the process of promoting and supporting the physical, emotional, social, and intellectual development of a child from infancy to adulthood. Parenting refers to the intricacies of raising a child and not exclusively to the biological relationship.

You may be thinking that God does not raise babies in a direct sense, and you would be right, if you are using an unbalanced comparison, but if we balance the comparison, I think we should accept the fact that a baby does not give their life to God. We do that when we are old enough to make an informed choice. So I would say, it is at that point, we are babes.

Hebrews 5:13 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

That takes us back to what the Bible says regarding children of God.
So for me there is no question that God is both a father, and parent.

I can agree with you on some things, but when it comes to the Bible, I don't pick and choose what I will believe, and what I will ignore.
I may as well throw away the Bible in that case.
To me, that amounts to doing the opposite of what Proverbs 3:5 says, and I don't think it shows humility either. It would seem like I am being wise in my own eyes, believing that human wisdom is somehow superior to God's.
Job learned his lesson well, and he learned partly from creation.
I always keep the sun in mind, and remember, 'I can't make that.' I think it reminds me to be humble.

You're making perfect sense :)

I suppose it's possible to come up with loads of analogies as to what God is like - father, lord, lawgiver, creator, designer etc. etc. (and maybe some of these are mutually exclusive) but at that the end of the days none of these comparisons are adequate - God is God, there is no other thing like him, and we can best understand him by looking at his personal characteristics rather than saying that he's like this or he's like that...

So for you he's parental but for me that doesn't quite work (however, I'd concede that he could be called a "pseudo-parent") - but to both of us he is God and we probably share an understanding of his characteristics even though we differ on what he resembles
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
You're making perfect sense :)

I suppose it's possible to come up with loads of analogies as to what God is like - father, lord, lawgiver, creator, designer etc. etc. (and maybe some of these are mutually exclusive) but at that the end of the days none of these comparisons are adequate - God is God, there is no other thing like him, and we can best understand him by looking at his personal characteristics rather than saying that he's like this or he's like that...

So for you he's parental but for me that doesn't quite work (however, I'd concede that he could be called a "pseudo-parent") - but to both of us he is God and we probably share an understanding of his characteristics even though we differ on what he resembles
I think we probably agree on one positive thing - God is creator and life-giver, and our life depends on him. So it is good for us to appreciate this fact, and try to live our lives in harmony with his will, which is good for us.
Do you share those thoughts? Then keep trying buddy.
 

KelseyR

The eternal optimist!
This thread may sound a little facetious at first but I think it raises a valid theological point for those of us who believe in God so please, bear with me:

It is said that any physically mature male can father a child but that only a real man can be a dad – by loving, nurturing and supporting his children and taking responsibility for their upbringing.

In short, “dad” and “father” are different – the former loves and nurtures whereas the latter merely creates and plays little or no further role in the life or lives he is responsible for creating.

I'd say a “dad” is a kind of father but not all fathers are dads. The key difference is I think love and dedication.

For instance Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker’s father, but not his dad.

Any man can get a woman pregnant, that’s easy

But being a dad to one’s offspring is something else

But what about “our father who art in heaven”?

Every Sunday I attend a church service but choose keep quite when the Lord's Prayer is said, for numerous reasons, some of which can be found in this post

To call him “father” is to imply he is somehow parental, that he is parental towards those whose existence he is responsible for

I'd say "deadbeat dad" is a good term for someone who is expected to be a dad but whose actions fall short - I believe this term can be applied to God

He may be our father in the sense that he is responsible for our creation…

But is he really like a dad to us? Does he care? Should we love him? Does he even love us? Is he even interested in us?

If so, how has he ever shown it???

Are our relationships with him really personal relationships, or are we all just parts of some great project he’s been working on?

In my experience there is no evidence that he wants to be a dad to us

Although he’s omnipresent he feels quite distant to me

And if he doesn’t care then why should we listen to him, or even respect him? Never mind worship him or pray to him!

How can one cultivate a relationship with someone who remains so distant? I have a distant relationship with my own father so I know a distant father-son relationship when I see one

Jesus famously called God “daddy” in Aramaic

But is it possible for us to have a dad-child relationship with God? Or is he just our father, and nothing more? Like Darth Vader is to Luke?

It is said that “God is love” but I can’t see that to be the case

I say that either God doesn’t exist or he does and he’s not paternal!

"Parent" is not the word I'd use to describe him

And look at all the suffering there is in the world – either he doesn’t care at all or he has favourites amongst his children! None of these are parental.

If he is not a parent to us then why keep calling him “our father who art in heaven”, if our relationship to him is not analogous to the relationship between a parent and their children?

I think it is clear that he is our father but not our dad - he is therefore a rubbish parent to such an extent that he cannot be called a parent at all

What then is our relationship with God? I think we owe him thanks for creating us and maintaining the universe but I wouldn’t call him a parent as that implies a personal and parental relationship characterised by love – which I don’t think there is.

It is said, “God is love”. He may very well have benign intentions for his creation, but is there really any love involved?

True, there are many different kinds of love, so maybe he does love us in some ineffable way we can never hope to understand?


I can feel a degree of impersonal and detached concern from God but I cannot feel any love.

Perhaps calling him “Lord” is more apt?

A benign Great Architect - as opposed to a loving parent???

I think that's a better model than "parent"

"Our Lord who are in heaven"???

So... do you think God is a deadbeat dad?
 

KelseyR

The eternal optimist!
A highly hypothetical question!

Let me begin by saying that God is only figuratively a father. He would actually be an alien from another plane of existence, if anything.

If we assume that He is real and is our real dad then He could easily be said a dead-beat one:

He remains distant background during our entire lifetime: appealing neither to any of the senses He gave us nor the reasoning power He also gave.

He waits until after we're dead, and then decides whether or not to abandon us on a permanent basis: this eternity possibly involving our torture.
 
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Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
So by doing the will(law) of God, you will be rewarded, the rest will be punished.
But this is countered by Job, where he did everything right and STILL got his butt beat.

How can you stop them from running under a bus, or stealing a TV from Best Buy, or...
Are you arguing God can't? Isn't He supposed to have more superpowers than us?

I don't know about you, but I prefer a dad who fits the former, than one who would lock me in the basement, so that he can have me, against my will.
A parent who lets their kid go play out in the street is probably gonna get arrested.

I have seen parents and grandparents repeatedly tell a child to do something, or not do something, and the child repeatedly says, "alright" then refuses to obey - every... single... time...Is that love?
Is love just obedience?

A gift from God!? Eternal life!? My father is offering me a gift of life that will last forever? How can I refuse? I say, give me that life dad.
How can we be assured we will last forever if forever hasn't happened yet?

"Well son, a high price was paid to redeem life that was lost. so I need you to appreciate the value of the life that was sacrificed in order to make possible the life that you can gain."
For a weekend.

Dad. That... I don't know what to say... You really love us You gave your only begotten son, for us..
He's so disloyal to being a parent He killed His own kid, even after the kid begs Him not to die.

What a contrast that son is, to those ungrateful one.
Or maybe the "ungrateful" son is wondering why Dad is a psycho killer.

If kids are screwed up, its either because there are something psychical wrong with them, which is not their own fault or its some psychologically issue, most likely due to stuff that happens in the environment they grew up in, like parents drinking, arguing with each other, poor influence from friends, overprotecting parents or straight up poor parenting of people not knowing how to raise a child.
The bible brags about how if a tree grows crooked, it should be cut down. A smart gardener would raise the tree straight to begin with. It was neglect that allowed the tree to grow crooked. I'm not even a green thumb and I know you tie young trees to a pole or something. :)

We are not living in a world of toddlers are we?
I'm trying real hard not to answer this. :p

Do you think that there should be no laws saying that "under section 000xxx one involed in XYZ should be ABC if found guilty?
Do you think God is wrong for having such laws?
If there's a law stating a woman should be executed for having a miscarriage, are we right in condemning such laws?

Also, are you wrong for having rules in your house, So if someone takes it upon themselves to ruin your house, you have the right to remove them?
Rules, yes, but only decent ones that take into consideration the abilities of the others. The house didn't come with rules. You make them up. You can unmake them too.

Oh, so an unruly child that just wants to get his way huh. We call those snobs, don't we?
Isn't that how God acts?

*stomps feet and screams* IT'S NOT FAIR! I WANT WHAT I WANT!

Unlike today, where one can commit a serious crime, and get away scotch free.... not so, with our loving father.
Asking Jesus to get you out of being punished is wrong, then?

I'd certainly hope God would punish someone who raped their sister
God apparently lives in Ohio, Georgia, and Alabama, where the sister gets imprisoned but the rapist goes free.

Is God responsible for bringing up individual children to be good people in a compassionate but firm way? No. I'd say he's not. I'd say that's the job of our human parents.
God doesn't parent Adam and Eve and just leaves them there and then complains after they do something bad. He does it again with Cain. It's even worse with Cain, because there is no reason for God to be angry at Cain's offering nor has murder as a sin been established. God just whines about it after the fact. God is the kind of parent who beats their kid to a pulp because they didn't do their homework when it was the parent's responsibility to help them understand it.

According to the Bible, not all are God’s children. Those who are born of His Spirit are.
We're all God's children but then He wants to claim someone else is the baby daddy when the child support payments are due.

Christianity is about God as a Shepherd and His sheep, not the wolves or their wannabes.
Both the shepherd and the wolf eats the sheep. The wolf just doesn't raise them for that purpose.

To me, it's like a source of water on the border of a desert. We are being urged to stay close to the water source, rather than disconnect ourselves from it, in order to travel into the desert. Perhaps someone has misled us into believing that there is something better, beyond the desert.
Smart people bring canteens. :)
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
But this is countered by Job, where he did everything right and STILL got his butt beat.
There are three big differences here :)

1. Job were already very obedient
2. God were doing a wager with Satan, I mean no one likes to loose a wager :D
3. God did reward Job in the end with a lot of new stuff and new children, which I guess is good as those that were killed. Children = Children :)

I actually think the story supports the obedient idea quite well, if you are obedient to God you get rewarded, if you are then tested and stays obedient you get even more.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Let me begin by saying that God is only figuratively a father. He would actually be an alien from another plane of existence, if anything.

If we assume that He is real and is our real dad then He could easily be said a dead-beat one.

He remains remote during our entire lifetime: appealing neither to any of the senses He gave us nor the reasoning power He saw fit to give us.

He waits until after we're dead, and then decides whether or not to abandon us on a permanent basis: this eternity possibly involving our torture.
I like the fact that you try to be fair in your opinion.
Only, I don't agree that it's an accurate assessment when considering what we know, both from a Biblical perspective, and what we see in reality.

1. Millions of people (since you put your statement as a definite) are close to God, and he is close to them. They experience him with at least five of their senses.

2. According to the Bible God does not decide anything as an afterthought - especially relating to what he has in store for his children. He knows what he has in store for all his children, and particularly those that love him can be guaranteed nothing but good. He knows what is in store for those who hate him also.

@Kelly of the Phoenix I skimmed your post, and I hopefully will see you later. I gotta run.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Are you arguing God can't? Isn't He supposed to have more superpowers than us?

A parent who lets their kid go play out in the street is probably gonna get arrested.
Not talking about toddlers here. The situation is children who are in a position to make their own decision to go on their own - In other words, adults.


Is love just obedience?
No. Love prompts obedience, if the requirements are not demonstratively wrong.


How can we be assured we will last forever if forever hasn't happened yet?
We can be assured if we have a basis for such assurance.
Those who are convinced they have found truth, have that assurance.
(Titus 1:1-3) . . .according to the faith of God’s chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth that is according to godly devotion 2 and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago; 3 but in his own due time, he made his word known through the preaching. . .


For a weekend.


He's so disloyal to being a parent He killed His own kid, even after the kid begs Him not to die.
What book did you read that from? Surely not the Bible.


Or maybe the "ungrateful" son is wondering why Dad is a psycho killer.
No. Which novel are you reading? You seem to be getting it mixed up with the Bible.


I'm trying real hard not to answer this. :p
I understand. :D


If there's a law stating a woman should be executed for having a miscarriage, are we right in condemning such laws?
I think one can only be right,in any judgment, if they have all the facts, so it would depend.


Rules, yes, but only decent ones that take into consideration the abilities of the others. The house didn't come with rules. You make them up. You can unmake them too.
Reasonable rules? Sure.
If one is fickle, or uncertain, and unsteady, they may make, and unmake rules frequently.
Nor so the case with those who are steady and unchanging. Rules can serve a temporary purpose though.

Isn't that how God acts?

*stomps feet and screams* IT'S NOT FAIR! I WANT WHAT I WANT!
LOL. Nope.

Asking Jesus to get you out of being punished is wrong, then?
Yes. Repenting of wrong, and seeking forgiveness isn't.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
This thread may sound a little facetious at first but I think it raises a valid theological point for those of us who believe in God so please, bear with me:

It is said that any physically mature male can father a child but that only a real man can be a dad – by loving, nurturing and supporting his children and taking responsibility for their upbringing.

In short, “dad” and “father” are different – the former loves and nurtures whereas the latter merely creates and plays little or no further role in the life or lives he is responsible for creating.

I'd say a “dad” is a kind of father but not all fathers are dads. The key difference is I think love and dedication.

For instance Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker’s father, but not his dad.

Any man can get a woman pregnant, that’s easy

But being a dad to one’s offspring is something else

But what about “our father who art in heaven”?

Every Sunday I attend a church service but choose keep quite when the Lord's Prayer is said, for numerous reasons, some of which can be found in this post

To call him “father” is to imply he is somehow parental, that he is parental towards those whose existence he is responsible for

I'd say "deadbeat dad" is a good term for someone who is expected to be a dad but whose actions fall short - I believe this term can be applied to God

He may be our father in the sense that he is responsible for our creation…

But is he really like a dad to us? Does he care? Should we love him? Does he even love us? Is he even interested in us?

If so, how has he ever shown it???

Are our relationships with him really personal relationships, or are we all just parts of some great project he’s been working on?

In my experience there is no evidence that he wants to be a dad to us

Although he’s omnipresent he feels quite distant to me

And if he doesn’t care then why should we listen to him, or even respect him? Never mind worship him or pray to him!

How can one cultivate a relationship with someone who remains so distant? I have a distant relationship with my own father so I know a distant father-son relationship when I see one

Jesus famously called God “daddy” in Aramaic

But is it possible for us to have a dad-child relationship with God? Or is he just our father, and nothing more? Like Darth Vader is to Luke?

It is said that “God is love” but I can’t see that to be the case

I say that either God doesn’t exist or he does and he’s not paternal!

"Parent" is not the word I'd use to describe him

And look at all the suffering there is in the world – either he doesn’t care at all or he has favourites amongst his children! None of these are parental.

If he is not a parent to us then why keep calling him “our father who art in heaven”, if our relationship to him is not analogous to the relationship between a parent and their children?

I think it is clear that he is our father but not our dad - he is therefore a rubbish parent to such an extent that he cannot be called a parent at all

What then is our relationship with God? I think we owe him thanks for creating us and maintaining the universe but I wouldn’t call him a parent as that implies a personal and parental relationship characterised by love – which I don’t think there is.

It is said, “God is love”. He may very well have benign intentions for his creation, but is there really any love involved?

True, there are many different kinds of love, so maybe he does love us in some ineffable way we can never hope to understand?


I can feel a degree of impersonal and detached concern from God but I cannot feel any love.

Perhaps calling him “Lord” is more apt?

A benign Great Architect - as opposed to a loving parent???

I think that's a better model than "parent"

"Our Lord who are in heaven"???

So... do you think God is a deadbeat dad?

I think it's worse than that. If he exists, he watches a child rape happen and then says "I'm going to punish you later for that".
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I think it's worse than that. If he exists, he watches a child rape happen and then says "I'm going to punish you later for that".
Not exactly.
He remembers our makeup - taking into account that many people "don't know their left hand from their right", and are victims themselves. Thus he patiently extends mercy, by allowing enough time for persons to have the opportunity to be saved.
meanwhile, he is aware and cares about those who suffer, but he also has an appointed time to act - at which time he will undo, and repair any damage done.
So really, no one loses... except the rebellious unrepentant God haters.
Everyone else gets fixed for eternal life prospects.
This means that suffering is but a very brief moment - like a surgical procedure, which is soon forgotten, when one fully recovers.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Not exactly.
He remembers our makeup - taking into account that many people "don't know their left hand from their right", and are victims themselves. Thus he patiently extends mercy, by allowing enough time for persons to have the opportunity to be saved.
meanwhile, he is aware and cares about those who suffer, but he also has an appointed time to act - at which time he will undo, and repair any damage done.
So really, no one loses... except the rebellious unrepentant God haters.
Everyone else gets fixed for eternal life prospects.
This means that suffering is but a very brief moment - like a surgical procedure, which is soon forgotten, when one fully recovers.

So that somehow makes it moral to allow child rape???
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
So that somehow makes it moral to allow child rape???
No, people are doing that...not God.

Just like 40,000 children dying from hunger everyday.... that's on greedy and selfish people, not Jehovah.

He left a 1500-page book on how we should act. Again, if people don't want to follow it...that's on them.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
No, people are doing that...not God.

Just like 40,000 children dying from hunger everyday.... that's on greedy and selfish people, not Jehovah.

He left a 1500-page book on how we should act. Again, if people don't want to follow it...that's on them.

I disagree. are you saying that god does not see the child being raped, or that he sees it happening and chooses not to stop it? Has to be one or the other, does it not?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I disagree. are you saying that god does not see the child being raped, or that he sees it happening and chooses not to stop it? Has to be one or the other, does it not?
Due to the issues raised in the Garden of Eden involving Independence and sovereignty (Genesis 3 1-6), God does not intervene in how humans treat others. It just makes human rule look even more ineffective! (We need God's Kingdom to rule! Matthew 6:9-10)

There's a lot of bad things that happen to innocent people ....I guess you rightly pick child rape because of its heinous nature.... but actions of humans are on them! In God's due time, Wicked will receive judgement -- we all will -- and whatever bad has happened to us, it "will not be called to mind, neither will it come up into the heart"! -- Isaiah 65:17
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Due to the issues raised in the Garden of Eden involving Independence and sovereignty (Genesis 3 1-6), God does not intervene in how humans treat others. It just makes human rule look even more ineffective! (We need God's Kingdom to rule! Matthew 6:9-10)

There's a lot of bad things that happen to innocent people ....I guess you rightly pick child rape because of its heinous nature.... but actions of humans are on them! In God's due time, Wicked will receive judgement -- we all will -- and whatever bad has happened to us, it "will not be called to mind, neither will it come up into the heart"! -- Isaiah 65:17

So then you are saying that god observes horrific acts against children as well as natural disasters that kill thousands but he decides to do nothing even though he could have stopped it? I am more moral than your god. If I had the power I would stop a child rapist. How about you?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
So then you are saying that god observes horrific acts against children as well as natural disasters that kill thousands but he decides to do nothing even though he could have stopped it? I am more moral than your god. If I had the power I would stop a child rapist. How about you?
Yes, I would. Go for it!
 
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