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Lies and Phony Caricatures of Christianity

Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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usfan said:
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ROFL!

even better! Ad hom deflections never cease with progressive indoctrinees.. ;)

The 'party *I* subscribe to? Lol!

How would you know which, if any, 'parties!' I subscribe to?

..some groupthink loyalties and narratives, to keep the 'us vs them!!' narratives aliv
Maximilian said:
1. Christians only hate mendacious science such as Abiogenesis and the GTOE.

2. Catholics, Protestants, Baha'i, Adventists, Born-Agains, Buddhists, Non-Denominationalists, Shinto, Evangelicals, Baptists, the Orthodox, Hindus, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Muslims, Pentecostals, Mormons, etc., etc. are responsible for all wars, exploitation, and oppression, not Christians since such conduct is Anti-Christian.

3. Christianity is not the same as Islam simply because these do not worship the God of Christ, Jehovah.

4. Muslims wouldn't love us and live in harmony because they can't even love or live in harmony with other Muslims.

5. All Christians long for Jehovah God's theocractic government under Christ Jesus. (Matthew 6:9)

6. Religious fanatics want to ban all books but the bible.

7. The Bible is against all hate and oppression in the world.

8. Christians encourage everyone to believe in Jehovah God and build a close personal relationship with him.

9. Christians disagree with atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, muslims, Hindus, and any who do not believe as they do.

10. America was founded by religious refugees, who saw the evil of Catholicism and Protestatism and tried to keep them from meddling in their lives.

11. Christians respect everyone's Free Will because "Jehovah is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom." - 2 Corinthians 3:17.

12. Christians reason and follow science as they love truth and hate lies.

13. The Bible is demonstrably infallible.

14. The Bible is the most well attested written work in all of human history.

15. Hitler was Catholic, not Christian.

16. Christianity is an salve for humanity, giving real hope to all those without.
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You need to support these with evidence. For instance, in the first item, you are asserting that neither Catholics or Protestants are Christian sects.
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Maximilian

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.

With the code of conduct he supplied his loyal ones, Christ drew a bright line and then announced that absolutely everyone on the other side is not a Christian.

So wholly devoted to this code would these be that all non-Christian world-views/conduct would be effortlessly recognized. (Malachi 3:18 cf. Titus 1:16)

These preach the gospel, and if necessary, use words.

Meaning that, just as we are able to distinguish genuine legal tender apart from Monopoly money, any sincere person can make a distinction between a Christian and an Anti-Christian (Satanist).
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
Throughout the millennia, and especially in the American Theater, respect and esteem for the principles in the Bible, and Christianity has been the norm. Every so often, there is an Awakening to spiritual truth, and the wisdom of the precepts in Christian ideology shines out like a beacon for humanity.

There has not been such an 'awakening' for ~50 yrs. The Name of Jesus and biblical principles have been dragged through the mud, and are fodder for sit-coms and juvenile ridicule. This is nothing to be alarmed about, for it could portend many possibilities, none of which are bad for the God Seeking, sincere soul.

I'll leave today with some inspiring quotes from those in the past, few of whom could be called, 'Fundie nutters!' ;)

It is impossible to enslave, mentally or socially, a bible-reading people. The principles of the bible are the groundwork of human freedom. ~Horace Greeley

For more than a thousand years the BIBLE, collectively taken, has gone hand in hand with civilization, science, law --in short, with the moral and intellectual cultivation of the species, always supporting and often leading the way. ~Samuel Taylor Coleridge

"The BIBLE has been the Magna Charta of the poor and oppressed. The human race is not in position to dispense with it" ~Thomas Huxley

"The BIBLE is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men -- It has God for its Author, Salvation for its end, and Truth without any mixture for its matter. -- It is all pure, all sincere; nothing too much; nothing wanting" ~John Locke

"The most learned, acute, and diligent student cannot, in the longest life, obtain an entire knowledge of the BIBLE. The more deeply he works the mine, the richer and more abundant he finds the ore." ~Sir Walter Scott

This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. ~Isaac Newton

How came the bodies of animals to be contrived with so much art, and for what ends were their several parts?
Was the eye contrived without skill in Opticks, and the ear without knowledge of sounds?...and these things being rightly dispatch’d, does it not appear from phænomena that there is a Being incorporeal, living, intelligent...? ~Isaac Newton
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
As i engaged in a few other threads here, the force of these false narratived hit me.

usfan said:
2. Christianity is responsible for all wars, exploitation, and oppression.
3. Christianity is the same as islam, but not as peaceful.
5. American Christians want a theocracy.
6. American Christians want to ban all books but the bible.
9. Christians hate atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, muslims, Hindus, and any who do not believe as they do.
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These lies and phony narratives are pounded by the drums of anti-christian propaganda, with no evidence, facts, or perspective.

It is like listening to white supremacists rant about black people.

The hostility expressed here toward 'Christians!' :eek: ..is off the charts, and seems almost ludicrous. But alas, these bigots are deadly serious, and genuinely believe that Christianity is the Greatest Human Evil, Ever.

Most of this has been dribbling around, over the years, but the intensity and dedication of the purveyors of propaganda has not been this fervent in my memory. Maybe a 'religious' forum is a magnet for religious bigots, like white supremacists draw racists. :shrug:

There are no facts or historical evidence for their rants, which are hysterical attacks toward a made up boogie man. Yet the revisionist narratives are repeated, loudly.. with indignation and deep concern... ..hoping the bobbleheads among the listeners will rise as one and destroy this horrible ideology and its followers.

I'm a defender of the Christian faith. I use reason, history, and civil debate to correct misconceptions and falsehoods. But i feel overwhelmed by the sheer hatred and intensity of the anti-christian hordes, here. I'm not sure i can contribute in such a hostile, irrational environment. It is something I have to consider. I don't mind being a whipping boy for the false narratives, IF.. reason and common sense brings circumspection and Enlightenment. But if the narratives overwhelm any correction, truth is killed, and only the propaganda remains.. amidst thunderous applause..
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
JJ50 said:
The extremist versions of Christianity can be very damaging indeed, as I know for a fact. I make no apology whatsoever for challenging it.
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What 'extremist versions!'? Traditional, historical, bible based Christianity? That is what is labeled 'extremist!'... :eek:.. these days. How has historical, biblical Christianity suddenly become a pariah, and 'extremist!' so suddenly?

The only answer i see, is Indoctrination and propaganda from a competing, anti-christian ideology. This trend is not based on facts or reason.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
usfan said:
What 'extremist versions!'? Traditional, historical, bible based Christianity? That is what is labeled 'extremist!'... :eek:.. these days. How has historical, biblical Christianity suddenly become a pariah, and 'extremist!' so suddenly?

The only answer i see, is Indoctrination and propaganda from a competing, anti-christian ideology. This trend is not based on facts or reason.
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Christian Zionism and futurism aren't traditional Christianity.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
usfan said:
What 'extremist versions!'? Traditional, historical, bible based Christianity? That is what is labeled 'extremist!'... :eek:.. these days. How has historical, biblical Christianity suddenly become a pariah, and 'extremist!' so suddenly?

The only answer i see, is Indoctrination and propaganda from a competing, anti-christian ideology. This trend is not based on facts or reason.
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Boy do you ever like your strawman arguments.

I know a lot of Christians. Some are truly excellent people, some are total douches. Rather like every other huge group of people.
The main difference is that they are a very powerful group, at least around here. So when someone does something nasty "in the Name of Jesus", which happens quite frequently, it gets noticed more by us nonchristians.
Tom
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
columbus said:
Boy do you ever like your strawman arguments.

I know a lot of Christians. Some are truly excellent people, some are total douches. Rather like every other huge group of people.
The main difference is that they are a very powerful group, at least around here. So when someone does something nasty "in the Name of Jesus", which happens quite frequently, it gets noticed more by us nonchristians.
Tom
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The source of caricatures is within the christian
community.
You got your Jim Jones, you got your Ken Ham,
and Jimmy Swaggert, you got people right here
on RF who make their "faith" look stupider
than anything I'd ever need to think up.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
usfan said:
Throughout the millennia, and especially in the American Theater, respect and esteem for the principles in the Bible, and Christianity has been the norm. Every so often, there is an Awakening to spiritual truth, and the wisdom of the precepts in Christian ideology shines out like a beacon for humanity.

There has not been such an 'awakening' for ~50 yrs. The Name of Jesus and biblical principles have been dragged through the mud, and are fodder for sit-coms and juvenile ridicule. This is nothing to be alarmed about, for it could portend many possibilities, none of which are bad for the God Seeking, sincere soul.

I'll leave today with some inspiring quotes from those in the past, few of whom could be called, 'Fundie nutters!' ;)

It is impossible to enslave, mentally or socially, a bible-reading people. The principles of the bible are the groundwork of human freedom. ~Horace Greeley

For more than a thousand years the BIBLE, collectively taken, has gone hand in hand with civilization, science, law --in short, with the moral and intellectual cultivation of the species, always supporting and often leading the way. ~Samuel Taylor Coleridge

"The BIBLE has been the Magna Charta of the poor and oppressed. The human race is not in position to dispense with it" ~Thomas Huxley

"The BIBLE is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men -- It has God for its Author, Salvation for its end, and Truth without any mixture for its matter. -- It is all pure, all sincere; nothing too much; nothing wanting" ~John Locke

"The most learned, acute, and diligent student cannot, in the longest life, obtain an entire knowledge of the BIBLE. The more deeply he works the mine, the richer and more abundant he finds the ore." ~Sir Walter Scott

This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. ~Isaac Newton

How came the bodies of animals to be contrived with so much art, and for what ends were their several parts?
Was the eye contrived without skill in Opticks, and the ear without knowledge of sounds?...and these things being rightly dispatch’d, does it not appear from phænomena that there is a Being incorporeal, living, intelligent...? ~Isaac Newton
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Between 1916 and 1975 Christianity took a detour into ignorance.
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
columbus said:
Boy do you ever like your strawman arguments.

I know a lot of Christians. Some are truly excellent people, some are total douches. Rather like every other huge group of people.
The main difference is that they are a very powerful group, at least around here. So when someone does something nasty "in the Name of Jesus", which happens quite frequently, it gets noticed more by us nonchristians.
Tom
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:facepalm:

I asked a question to clarify what is 'extremism!', within Christianity. It seems, to have come to mean historical, bible believing Christianity, not just aberrant cult groups.

How is that a strawman? How does sniping at me, personally, address my point? :shrug: it is an ad hominem deflection..

People of all philosophical beliefs do 'nasty!' things. Are you suggesting that only 'Christians!' ...:eek:.. are 'nasty!', and have brought all the evil into the world?

..that is a common false narrative in the pop culture..
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Christian Zionism and futurism aren't traditional Christianity.
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Who is promoting or defending 'Christian Zionism and futurism!'? :shrug:
I'm defending traditional, historical, biblical Christianity.

Offshoots, departures, heresies, and cults have come in droves, over the millennia. Correlating all of them with the Original, is a false narrative to smear Christianity.
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Between 1916 and 1975 Christianity took a detour into ignorance.
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:rolleyes:

Yes, about the time Progressivism began its propaganda smear campaigns.

Christianity has not changed. The PERCEPTIONS and opinions about it have, due to mass Indoctrination and steady propaganda from all progressive run institutions. You merely display your indoctrination, not anything historical or factual.
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
The source of caricatures is within the christian
community.
You got your Jim Jones, you got your Ken Ham,
and Jimmy Swaggert, you got people right here
on RF who make their "faith" look stupider
than anything I'd ever need to think up.
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Hardly.

The source of the anti-christian caricatures are anti-christian bigots and competing progressives, out to proselytize THEIR ideology, and smear the competition.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
usfan said:
Hardly.

The source of the anti-christian caricatures are anti-christian bigots and competing progressives, out to proselytize THEIR ideology, and smear the competition.
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Have you forgotten Falwell, Robertson ,Hagee?
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
columbus said:
I know a lot of Christians. Some are truly excellent people, some are total douches. Rather like every other huge group of people.
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usfan said:
People of all philosophical beliefs do 'nasty!' things. Are you suggesting that only 'Christians!' ...:eek:.. are 'nasty!', and have brought all the evil into the world?
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Do you even read the posts before you respond?

Maybe the reason that you see attack and false narratives everywhere is because you don't actually pay any attention to what people say. You're so involved with your own false narratives that you just don't see or hear what the people around you are saying.
Tom
 
usfan

usfan

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Have you forgotten Falwell, Robertson ,Hagee?
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How about Hitler? Stalin? Ghandi? Jim Jones?

What does name dropping 'smears by association' have to do with Christianity? Or anything?

Smears and caricatures of Christianity do not come from Christians, or those sympathetic to Christianity as an ideology. They come from bigoted enemies, with an agenda to smear and demean it. They usually promote THEIR worldview, as a substitute, but they are hostile toward Christianity and Christians.
 
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