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He's been here since 2016, lol.Welcome to the fun, randomness, and diversity that is RF.
He's been here since 2016, lol.
Hello @The_Fisher_King ,
I am quite interested in reading more about your journey. What ever you choose to share ...
More specifically, I am curious about the new identifier "Hedonistic". Also, what elements contributed to this shift away from Gnostic Islam?
Extremely rare. Gnostic way opens one's mind on what Scriptures say.
You know, in Gospel of Matthew Christ Jesus teaches how to pray to the Father. Free word used means "iterally, to interact with the Lord by switching human wishes (ideas) for His wishes " Strong's Greek: 4336. προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai) -- to prayI'm still struggling with what this Gnostic way actually involves that is different from non-Gnostics' ways of meditation, prayer, communing with God, etc.
So how does one make that connection in spirit?
I'm still struggling with what this Gnostic way actually involves that is different from non-Gnostics' ways of meditation, prayer, communing with God, etc.
You know, in Gospel of Matthew Christ Jesus teaches how to pray to the Father. Free word used means "iterally, to interact with the Lord by switching human wishes (ideas) for His wishes " Strong's Greek: 4336. προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai) -- to pray
Basically Christ Jesus talks about transcendental meditation with mantra. Word "Gnostic" may be confusing. It id division based on spiritual understanding, a person may use Gnostic method without knowing it. It is the same in all religions beginning with shamanism. Islam is the same.
Gnosticism can be considered coming from a Christian tradition or more broadly. I'm not sure how you are referring to it here.
But to answer your question, shariat is following the rules and rituals of Islam. Tariqat, the path, lies beyond ordinary rituals. Rumi, Hafiz and others write from this inner understanding.
Another way of saying this is that what you do, meditation etc, might be the same but one's inner state could be very different.
Imo, the entire NT is Gnostic. Gospels and Paul.Yes, but I'm not sure how this is Gnostic..
Imo, the entire NT is Gnostic. Gospels and Paul.
Especially St. John. Just look Jesus explain His pupils that they do not understand his teaching because they do no use Gnosis but eidon ("what is physically seen" ) instead. Follow Greek in Jn 14.
Exactly the same still happens now, using eidon instead of gno keeps many blind.
I understand, traditional ancient Gnostics, which also was not exactly uniform at all. Roman Christianity buried Gnosticism. Paul's church was run by pneumatics - who were Gnostic.I think I understand how you are using the term now. Different to my prior use of the term (the kind of Gnosticism I am renouncing).
Now I understand better.So my prior use of the word was in the sense of the early Gnostic sects of the early centuries CE - that is what I am renouncing. The way in which you - and perhaps also leov - use the term seems to be wrt a different kind of gnosis, a kind of deep spiritual understanding.
Hi all,
After wrestling with it and its general incompatibility with mainstream Islam for quite a while now, I have finally decided to renounce my Gnosticism and embrace a more world-affirming view of life and a more generally mainstream view of Islam (though with the odd difference from the mainstream and a progressive line).
In case anyone is vaguely interested!
TFK
I rejected Gnostocism for the same reasons. It's depressing.Hi all,
After wrestling with it and its general incompatibility with mainstream Islam for quite a while now, I have finally decided to renounce my Gnosticism and embrace a more world-affirming view of life and a more generally mainstream view of Islam (though with the odd difference from the mainstream and a progressive line).
In case anyone is vaguely interested!
TFK
Hi all,
After wrestling with it and its general incompatibility with mainstream Islam for quite a while now, I have finally decided to renounce my Gnosticism and embrace a more world-affirming view of life and a more generally mainstream view of Islam (though with the odd difference from the mainstream and a progressive line).
In case anyone is vaguely interested!
TFK
What makes a particular view of Islam mainstream?
I rejected Gnostocism for the same reasons. It's depressing.
Which is perhaps why I always thought of myself as a Gnostic Muslim previously.