What, that you have the right to infect others? That's exactly what you're arguing for.
So nonsensical... it hurts.
And that's what's nonsensical here.
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What, that you have the right to infect others? That's exactly what you're arguing for.
So nonsensical... it hurts.
My body my choice?
Not anymore!
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What, that you have the right to infect others? That's exactly what you're arguing for.
And that's what's nonsensical here.
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Last night, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo signed a bill putting a stop to religious exemptions for required vaccinations.
Too many people had been using religious excuses to get their children out of getting their shots, and it was creating a public health crisis, especially in Orthodox Jewish communities.
This bill, A.2371, closed that loophole for good.
It’s the right move for the entire state. The only people who shouldn’t be required to get vaccines are people who have medical reasons for it. To use God as an excuse, putting the public’s health in jeopardy, is wildly irresponsible. The government needed to take action, and the Democratically controlled state did just that.“The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe. This administration has taken aggressive action to contain the measles outbreak, but given its scale, additional steps are needed to end this public health crisis,” Governor Cuomo said. “While I understand and respect freedom of religion, our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks.”
Science won out over religion, and public health won out over a faith-based death wish.
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One good reason for a universal health care system would be a centralized uniform medical database where public health authorities could access and review each person's immunization record in order to determine which individuals lack immunization against communicable diseases posing a grave public health risk.
I'm not an anti-vacciner.
I just think it's a huge mistake to force people to do it against their will.
Many people can have adverse reactions to the ingredients in vaccines. Vaccines like any medicine, carry certain risk factors for vulnerable people regardless.
What's in a Measles Vaccine?
Measles isn't exactly the bubonic plague here , and I'm a firm believer that parents are the ones that should be making these decisions.
Measles isn't exactly the bubonic plague here , and I'm a firm believer that parents are the ones that should be making these decisions.
Again, they don't have to. They only have to get vaccinations if their parents want them to go to public school. People not being vaccinated have turned areas of human congregation into contagion zones. Since education is required for children by not vaccinating one's kids and demanding that they be allowed to go to public schools one is demanding that they may have to be exposed to their child's illnesses. Some people cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Those people have an excuse. Also children are the ultimate victims of their parents superstitious beliefs. If children are not vaccinated and exposed to the ill children of other kids that were abused by their parents too and became ill as a result then they will become part of the problem. Children with compromised immune systems have to rely on herd immunization and anti-vaxers take that away.I'm not an anti-vacciner.
I just think it's a huge mistake to force people to do it against their will.
Again, they don't have to. They only have to get vaccinations if their parents want them to go to public school. People not being vaccinated have turned areas of human congregation into contagion zones. Since education is required for children by not vaccinating one's kids and demanding that they be allowed to go to public schools one is demanding that they may have to be exposed to their child's illnesses. Some people cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Those people have an excuse. Also children are the ultimate victims of their parents superstitious beliefs. If children are not vaccinated and exposed to the ill children of other kids that were abused by their parents too and became ill as a result then they will become part of the problem. Children with compromised immune systems have to rely on herd immunization and anti-vaxers take that away.
Many people can have adverse reactions to the ingredients in vaccines. Vaccines like any medicine, carry certain risk factors for vulnerable people regardless.
What's in a Measles Vaccine?
Measles isn't exactly the bubonic plague here , and I'm a firm believer that parents are the ones that should be making these decisions.
I'm a firm believer that parents are the ones that should be making these decisions.
Of course.Actually, the plague is now easier to treat (simple antibiotics) than measles (which is a virus). And measles is NOT a disease which should be taken lightly. The risk of neurological complications, deafness, or even death are real.
I don't think it's quite that dire as it's being made out to be. Sure you'd be notably dumb for not taking the vaccine which is why most people got the vaccine under their own free terms, even with the knowledge the actual mortality rate for measles is quite low.The problem with that is, vaccination isn't a personal issue. It's a public health issue.
Every decision not to vaccinate heightens the risk of being infected for everyone. Even the vaccinated are put at risk because the more a disease spreads throughout a population, the more likely it is to mutate and become a version of itself that a vaccinated immune system won't recognize.
Whatever choices you make that only affect your child, I don't know and I don't care.
But the decision not to vaccinate threatens me, and I think my government ought to protect me when you and likeminded people decide to turn your children into biological weapons.
I want refusal to vaccinate one's children to carry the same punishment as starving your children.
At least starving your child only affects your child. But pass and enforce that law, and watch measles cases drop.
I don't think it's quite that dire as it's being made out to be. Sure you'd be notably dumb for not taking the vaccine which is why most people got the vaccine under their own free terms, even with the knowledge the actual mortality rate for measles is quite low.
Anyways let history speak for itself. There was no need for any type of government interference then and there is certainly no reason or need for it to be any different now.
Vaccine History: Developments by Year | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia
Measles can be stopped and curtailed just as effectively without any forced
mandate like they successfully did in the 50s to begin with, requiring only simple information and education of the risk and consequences. There was absolutely no reason for having state control then , and there's no reason for state control now unless it's primarily intended to institute the tools to eradicate a persons free practice of religion and the free rein for parents to raise their own children without undue interference and intrusion from the socialist state.
Hey if you're inoculated then there's nothing to worry about. It's not an issue.What, that you have the right to infect others? That's exactly what you're arguing for.
And that's what's nonsensical here.
Like I said earlier , it wasn't an issue in the 50s. The fact that there's more social media and misinformation doesn't really change anything.Misinformation spreads more rapidly than it used to because of social media. any idiot can circulate fraudulent charts and articles about vaccines and autism, and people cling uncritically to the opinions of celebrities in a way they wouldn't have in the 50s.
And let's be clear about something. There is no religion on Earth whose tenets are violated by vaccination. Not one. People claiming religious exemption are fraudulently using their religion as a shield against doing the right thing because Jenny McCarthy said vaccines made her son autistic (they didn't).
So the idea that enforcing vaccination is a tool to eradicate a persons free practice of religion is absolute nonsense.
As for undue interference and intrusion... we would expect a reasonable person who noticed a parent starving their children to call CPS. To have the government interfere. As far as I'm concerned, refusing to vaccinate one's children is on the same level, worse because it effects the well being of other people. That would be due interference.
Like I said earlier , it wasn't an issue in the 50s. The fact that there's more social media and misinformation doesn't really change anything.
There's no reason in hell to have the government intruding on private families and dictating to parents what they can and cannot do aside from informational educational campaigns. I wouldn't even be against a "free" inoculation Clinic or some other government incentive for parents to bring in their children.
Unless it's turned into a ravaging superbug, the mortality rate from measles is still pretty low.
Measles needs 90-95% of the population to be immunized for herd immunity to effectively protect everyone else. If millions of people decide "most people are going to inoculate their children anyways, so I'm going to exercise my right as a private parent to leave my child vulnerable against otherwise entirely preventable diseases", you'll find immunization levels below where they ought to be, and now you've got a public health crisis.Most people are going to inoculate their children anyways regardless.
I'm glad we could find some common ground.I do agree with you on one thing, I can't see any religion that would have a dictate against receiving immunizations that I'm aware of. It does seem like a BS excuse to have .
Hey if you're inoculated then there's nothing to worry about. It's not an issue.
Let those who don't inoculate each other deal with their own problems.