Hated for the Name, the Blasphemous Utterance

Fool · Jun 14, 2019

Jesus said that you would be hated because of his name's sake. what is the name? is it jesus' name? or the Father's name? or some other name?

Matthew 10:22 And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

why? what is it about a name that one should be hated because of it?

Enoch07 · Jun 14, 2019

Fool said:
why? what is it about a name that one should be hated because of it?

The name is Jesus Christ. When put in context It's about the end times and Christian persecution.

Fool · Jun 14, 2019

Enoch07 said:
The name is Jesus Christ. When put in context It's about the end times and Christian persecution.

seriously?

where does it say that jesus name is hallowed? sacred? why isn't jesus' name not written in the 144,000's forehead?

John 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Enoch07 · Jun 14, 2019

Fool said:
seriously?

Its Jesus that is speaking in Matthew 10.

You quoted Jesus yourself.

whirlingmerc · Jun 14, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Its Jesus that is speaking in Matthew 10.

You quoted Jesus yourself.

The name represents the person and the character

Psalm 44 there is persecution and although in psalm 23 we are led in paths of righteousness for your name sake, in psalm 44 we are led in persecution for your name sake (quoted in romans 8)

Happily, Psalm 45 is a marriage psalm and the troubles of this life are followed by the marriage supper of the lamb (and Psalm 46 is like the women who sing after the wedding)

Adjacent psalms that tell a story part 1 - Psalms 44, 45, 46

(there is a lot more flow in the Psalms than people might think if they see the psalms as a loose unconnected collection of songs)

Fool · Jun 14, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Its Jesus that is speaking in Matthew 10.

You quoted Jesus yourself.

yes i did but jesus told you something about his name, the name that was considered blasphemous to utter.

I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

leviticus 24:11
וַ֠יִּקֹּב בֶּן־הָֽאִשָּׁ֨ה הַיִּשְׂרְאֵלִ֤ית אֶת־הַשֵּׁם֙ וַיְקַלֵּ֔ל וַיָּבִ֥יאוּ אֹת֖וֹ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֑ה וְשֵׁ֥ם אִמּ֛וֹ שְׁלֹמִ֥ית בַּת־דִּבְרִ֖י לְמַטֵּה־דָֽן׃

The son of the Israelite woman pronounced the Name in blasphemy, and he was brought to Moses—now his mother’s name was Shelomith daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan—

or

11And the son of the Israelite woman pronounced the [Divine] Name and cursed. So they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. יאוַיִּקֹּ֠ב בֶּן־הָֽאִשָּׁ֨ה הַיִּשְׂרְאֵלִ֤ית אֶת־הַשֵּׁם֙ וַיְקַלֵּ֔ל וַיָּבִ֥יאוּ אֹת֖וֹ אֶל־משֶׁ֑ה וְשֵׁ֥ם אִמּ֛וֹ שְׁלֹמִ֥ית בַּת־דִּבְרִ֖י לְמַטֵּה־דָֽן:

Enoch07 · Jun 14, 2019

Fool said:
yes i did but jesus told you something about his name, the name that was considered blasphemous to utter.

I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

leviticus 24:11
וַ֠יִּקֹּב בֶּן־הָֽאִשָּׁ֨ה הַיִּשְׂרְאֵלִ֤ית אֶת־הַשֵּׁם֙ וַיְקַלֵּ֔ל וַיָּבִ֥יאוּ אֹת֖וֹ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֑ה וְשֵׁ֥ם אִמּ֛וֹ שְׁלֹמִ֥ית בַּת־דִּבְרִ֖י לְמַטֵּה־דָֽן׃

The son of the Israelite woman pronounced the Name in blasphemy, and he was brought to Moses—now his mother’s name was Shelomith daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan—

or

11And the son of the Israelite woman pronounced the [Divine] Name and cursed. So they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. יאוַיִּקֹּ֠ב בֶּן־הָֽאִשָּׁ֨ה הַיִּשְׂרְאֵלִ֤ית אֶת־הַשֵּׁם֙ וַיְקַלֵּ֔ל וַיָּבִ֥יאוּ אֹת֖וֹ אֶל־משֶׁ֑ה וְשֵׁ֥ם אִמּ֛וֹ שְׁלֹמִ֥ית בַּת־דִּבְרִ֖י לְמַטֵּה־דָֽן:

Gibberish, that's all I get. You make sense at all, sorry. :shrug:

Fool · Jun 14, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Gibberish, that's all I get. You make sense at all, sorry.

jesus uttered the name; or took the name that a son of god, a prophet was sent by.

https://jewishjournal.com/culture/religion/torah_portion/218961/respecting-name-god/

this is why it is written:

Luke 21:8 KJV And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

because All is christ

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Enoch07 · Jun 14, 2019

Fool said:
jesus uttered the name; or took the name that a son of god, a prophet was sent by.

https://jewishjournal.com/culture/religion/torah_portion/218961/respecting-name-god/

this is why it is written:

Luke 21:8 KJV And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

because All is christ

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

All wrong

Luke is talking about false prophets.

Fool · Jun 14, 2019

Enoch07 said:
All wrong

Luke is talking about false prophets.

false prophets take the name exclusively, in vain and deny in other as self.

John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

true prophets were all sent with the name.

jesus came to make all as one,

what you do unto the least of these, you do unto me.

oneness, god is not a respecter of persons.

John 16:22-John 16:24 KJV And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

1213 · Jun 16, 2019

Fool said:
Jesus said that you would be hated because of his name's sake. what is the name?...

I have understood it means this:

“Christian” meant originally a disciple of Jesus. When person calls himself a disciple of Jesus, he will be hated. And that is, because he is faithful to Jesus and so also to the truth and testifies about truth.

Fool · Jun 16, 2019

1213 said:
I have understood it means this:

“Christian” meant originally a disciple of Jesus. When person calls himself a disciple of Jesus, he will be hated. And that is, because he is faithful to Jesus and so also to the truth and testifies about truth.

jesus didn't use, nor promote the term christian. that was the church at antioch

Hated for the Name, the Blasphemous Utterance

Fool

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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.

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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.

whirlingmerc

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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.

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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.

Fool

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1213

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