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I love science and religion

sooda

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An ice age is a long period of reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers.Earth is currently in the Quaternary glaciation, known in popular terminology as the Ice Age. Individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or, alternatively, "glacials", "glaciations ...
 

sooda

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whirlingmerc

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The vast majority (around 93%) of accomplished scientist have no belief in religion.

But there are a few who are both religious and accomplished scientists. In particular on this subject i think of Norman Borlaug and Raymond Damadian.


I'm an accomplished scientist who practiced engineering for about 40 years and still going with 25 patents and I believe in God .... and yourself?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I'm an accomplished scientist who practiced engineering for about 40 years and still going with 25 patents and I believe in God .... and yourself?

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the statistics.

Me? I am a retired artist who worked with scientists visualising their work for presentation? Among other things
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
I'm an accomplished scientist who practiced engineering for about 40 years and still going with 25 patents and I believe in God .... and yourself?
Unless you did research, you were not practicing a science, at least not by convention. Engineering is an applied science, i.e., you were a technician.

Patents are nice - that means you understand science how? Certainly you may understand mechanics and the like. But biology? Not from what I've seen.

Some of my pubs are cited in the Tree of Life web site. Also in 2 textbooks on evolution. No patents. But then, patents are irrelevant. Ron Popeil had a bunch of them.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Unless you did research, you were not practicing a science, at least not by convention. Engineering is an applied science, i.e., you were a technician.

Patents are nice - that means you understand science how? Certainly you may understand mechanics and the like. But biology? Not from what I've seen.

Some of my pubs are cited in the Tree of Life web site. Also in 2 textbooks on evolution. No patents. But then, patents are irrelevant. Ron Popeil had a bunch of them.


I was no technician and I know of no technicians with PhD's

But I get that in a secular biology environment ridicule of religious views is pretty rampant
Interestingly the evolution world view spans many fields and no one is expert in them all but take 'the word' of people with hidden assumptions.

Engineers see through that.
 
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TransmutingSoul

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Premium Member
There have been some discussions here about reconciling science and religion. The kind of science that I love is people doing research and reporting it, honestly and responsibly. The kind of religion that I love is people using their religious lore and scriptures to help them live better lives. I don't see anything there that needs to be reconciled. Does anyone see anything there that needs to be reconciled?

I see that our collective mind needs to embrace both, to unlock the potential of both.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Can you explain more of what you believe. I believe in God and science. I believe that God and science are one but that scientists are not yet advanced enough to hove proven it. To me, it is all very interconnected. I love quantum physics. With quantum physics, scientists have found that there are alternate dimensions with different principles of space, time, energy and matter than we have in our reality. Also, I have many, many wonderful coincidences. I feel that I am connected to another dimension which I call God.

I can also discuss my beliefs about religions. i don't believe in any organized religion. I see too many faults in their doctrines and in the behaviors of many who claim to be religious. There are, however, good people from every religion. I have met some. Unfortunately, they are a very small percentage.

If you start a thread would love to discuss this with you and others.

You may like to read this in the meantime.

Tablet of the Universe

Regards Tony
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
I was no technician and I know of no technicians with PhD's
Most engineers are basically technicians. I did mention 'research.' Yes?
But I get that in a secular biology environment ridicule of religious views is pretty rampant
I get that in creationist engineer circles, it is commonplace to embellish one's credentials, and, coupled with a cultured arrogance, many such folk deem themselves implicit experts at all things. Being engineers, and all...

Look at the creationists with engineering backgrounds on here - they pontificate on physics, biology, genetics, anatomy, physiology, bible lore, and even when 100% wrong, they condescend to others.
Interestingly the evolution world view spans many fields and no one is expert in them all but take 'the word' of people with hidden assumptions.
'Hidden' assumptions, if you say so - another expert on all science despite being an ignoramus in them?
Engineers see through that.
LOL!!!

In my experience, when creationist engineers pontificate on evolution, they just make fools of themselves, thinking that this sort of arrogance (the sort of which you just exuded) renders their mere uninformed opinions facts.


I'll have to look at some of your biology-related posts and document the errors, not that you will understand.


edit: Perusing the list of your last 100 posts, only 2 are in this forum. The rest are religious/right-wing political (surprise!).

Looks like maybe you know when not to comment on things that do not rely entirely on subjective opinion. And do rely on not-so-hidden 'assumptions.'
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Unless you did research, you were not practicing a science, at least not by convention. Engineering is an applied science, i.e., you were a technician.

Patents are nice - that means you understand science how? Certainly you may understand mechanics and the like. But biology? Not from what I've seen.

Some of my pubs are cited in the Tree of Life web site. Also in 2 textbooks on evolution. No patents. But then, patents are irrelevant. Ron Popeil had a bunch of them.

This???

Tree of Life Web Project
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The kind of science that I love is people doing research and reporting it, honestly and responsibly. That's part of what I think the world needs.

That's exactly what scientists do each and every day.




Most of what I see people calling "science" in public debating is whatever some people in their political faction are saying that the research says, which is never what the research actually says.

You have some solid examples, do you?

Are you listening to the comparatively few talking heads in the media or are you listening to thousands of actual scientists?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I'm an accomplished scientist who practiced engineering for about 40 years and still going with 25 patents and I believe in God .... and yourself?


There is a difference between scientists and engineers


Scientists observe the world, while engineers focus on creating. While both fields do involve observation and analysis, engineering mainly deals with creating and working on already existing creations, while scientists work with things in nature.
Bright god-fearing people tend to go into engineering as this field does not conflict with anything in the Bible.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I'm an accomplished scientist who practiced engineering for about 40 years and still going with 25 patents and I believe in God .... and yourself?
I was no technician and I know of no technicians with PhD's

But I get that in a secular biology environment ridicule of religious views is pretty rampant
Interestingly the evolution world view spans many fields and no one is expert in them all but take 'the word' of people with hidden assumptions.

Engineers see through that.

I am a former civil engineer, with no patents to my name. Former because I have changed career.

I am no expert in biology and I have pretended to be expert, however, I know enough about science in general to know that you yourself are no expert in biology, and that you have repeatedly made false statements not only about biology, but also about the Bible that you hold sacred to.

And holding or owning some patents still don’t make you a biologist; your personal opinion regarding to evolution holds no weight. So stop lying about your expertise, whirlingmerc.

I can see through your ignorance and your deception.
 
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