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Why bother debating or discussing?

Ponder This

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Based on the brief amount of time I've spent on this forum and that I've spent involved in/looking at debates with others concerning matters of religion, faith, metaphysics etc away from this forum, it seems to me that these discussions make no sense since the participants involved don't enter into it with good faith ie. a willingness to be open minded and change one's mind or position if shown to be incorrect. Both believers and non believers alike, including myself, it seems, only want to demonstrate why they're correct and the other person is wrong rather than genuinely wanting to listen to the other side and change one's mind if they're shown to be wrong and so I ask what's the point in discussing and debating if everyone's just out to prove how right they are and how wrong everyone else is? Heck even on this forum, some believers' only purpose seems to be proselytizing or proving that their religion/faith is correct while tearing down any religion that disagrees with their own whereas the purpose of some non believers seems to be to prove that religion is false or God doesn't exist or is imaginary and that anyone who believes any of it is foolish... with all this, one has to wonder what's the point?

There are many reasons to debate... but getting your debate opponent to concede to your position isn't really the purpose of a good debate.

In a good debate, both sides argue strongly for their position regardless of who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' because the point of debate is to bring forth the opposing views so that they can be compared.

I can see why people here on RF might tend towards only debating positions that they personally believe strongly in... but ultimately the sign of someone good at debating is someone who can argue strongly for positions he doesn't necessarily believe to be the 'correct' position. And it wouldn't make sense for someone playing Devil's Advocate to concede his position in a debate simply because he's 'wrong'. He may believe he is wrong, but the point of the debate is to bring forth opposing arguments and let posterity decide who is 'right' and who is 'wrong'.

Or rather, not 'who' is right or wrong, but 'what position' is right or wrong.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Based on the brief amount of time I've spent on this forum and that I've spent involved in/looking at debates with others concerning matters of religion, faith, metaphysics etc away from this forum, it seems to me that these discussions make no sense since the participants involved don't enter into it with good faith ie. a willingness to be open minded and change one's mind or position if shown to be incorrect. Both believers and non believers alike, including myself, it seems, only want to demonstrate why they're correct and the other person is wrong rather than genuinely wanting to listen to the other side and change one's mind if they're shown to be wrong and so I ask what's the point in discussing and debating if everyone's just out to prove how right they are and how wrong everyone else is? Heck even on this forum, some believers' only purpose seems to be proselytizing or proving that their religion/faith is correct while tearing down any religion that disagrees with their own whereas the purpose of some non believers seems to be to prove that religion is false or God doesn't exist or is imaginary and that anyone who believes any of it is foolish... with all this, one has to wonder what's the point?
Everybody learns here. Many do recognize the errors in their beliefs, or truth in some other beliefs, but they do not admit it openly, due to their fanaticsm or self. But, their inner understanding, gradually changes whether they like it or not.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Everybody learns here. Many do recognize the errors in their beliefs, or truth in some other beliefs, but they do not admit it openly, due to their fanaticsm or self. But, their inner understanding, gradually changes whether they like it or not.

I admit it openly and put it on a silver platter for all to see, complete with a shiny apple in my mouth.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Based on the brief amount of time I've spent on this forum and that I've spent involved in/looking at debates with others concerning matters of religion, faith, metaphysics etc away from this forum, it seems to me that these discussions make no sense since the participants involved don't enter into it with good faith ie. a willingness to be open minded and change one's mind or position if shown to be incorrect. Both believers and non believers alike, including myself, it seems, only want to demonstrate why they're correct and the other person is wrong rather than genuinely wanting to listen to the other side and change one's mind if they're shown to be wrong and so I ask what's the point in discussing and debating if everyone's just out to prove how right they are and how wrong everyone else is? Heck even on this forum, some believers' only purpose seems to be proselytizing or proving that their religion/faith is correct while tearing down any religion that disagrees with their own whereas the purpose of some non believers seems to be to prove that religion is false or God doesn't exist or is imaginary and that anyone who believes any of it is foolish... with all this, one has to wonder what's the point?

What I like about it is that it helps me get different perspectives and grow by challenging my views, it helps me practice my reasoning skills with people and it helps me with critical thinking. It also helps me to be honest with myself.

When it comes to debates one must practice patients because you don't know whether someone will remember what you say 30 years down the line and it convinces them to change a detrimental viewpoint. Debates and discussions could act lik a butterfly effect.

Also discussions helps us to understand one another. But from what you are pointing out, understandings only happen once people are mature enough to accept what other people say.

Also bear in mind cognitive dissonance when people with strong believes are challenged with valid points. It is an automatic psychological reaction which reveals that they are in conflict with themselves. That is why some people insult others, use ad hominem attacks, use red herrings etc.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
Staff member
Premium Member
Based on the brief amount of time I've spent on this forum and that I've spent involved in/looking at debates with others concerning matters of religion, faith, metaphysics etc away from this forum, it seems to me that these discussions make no sense since the participants involved don't enter into it with good faith ie. a willingness to be open minded and change one's mind or position if shown to be incorrect. Both believers and non believers alike, including myself, it seems, only want to demonstrate why they're correct and the other person is wrong rather than genuinely wanting to listen to the other side and change one's mind if they're shown to be wrong and so I ask what's the point in discussing and debating if everyone's just out to prove how right they are and how wrong everyone else is? Heck even on this forum, some believers' only purpose seems to be proselytizing or proving that their religion/faith is correct while tearing down any religion that disagrees with their own whereas the purpose of some non believers seems to be to prove that religion is false or God doesn't exist or is imaginary and that anyone who believes any of it is foolish... with all this, one has to wonder what's the point?
I have discovered that in the two years I have been on here, that there are a number of posters that I cannot discuss anything with. Their minds are so narrow and closed that their thinking approaches indolence. Couple that with a sort of deluded sense that they constantly have the upper hand in any debate or discussion and it can be very frustrating. I have gotten to the point that I bite my tongue and avoid responding to most of them, but sometimes they post something that is so off the wall, it begs to be addressed. I bow to my weakness and respond, but the result is pretty much, always the same. Pigeon chess.

But these types do not control the board and are not the only people on a thread discussing the topic. There are plenty of posters that do not fit the description above that are posting here. Lots of ideas to get tossed around. There is humor and personal stories that are often moving. There are good examples and bad examples of how to behave here. There are people that pose tough questions or provide very insightful answers that I would not have come up with. And even from the intellectually indolent and closed-minded, there is something to be learned. Sometimes, even the most dogmatic person has an original thought or relates something of value. At the very least, I learn what it is that they are using as evidence and the state of their arguments.

Then there are people that have experiences or backgrounds with an entirely different nature and emphasis from my own. Even if they and I will never walk the same path, it is enlightening to learn how they have arrived where they are and why they conclude the way they do. This is a place where those different paths can converge long enough for us to talk and share ideas. To learn about each other and find where there is common ground and where we will never agree. This brings me back to the perspectives and ideas I would never have thought of. They may not change me, but they might make me think, reconsider or just put myself in someone else's shoes for just a moment.
 

Jos

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One could use such a venue as a sounding board for their ideas, a chance to get different perspectives, a chance to have some of your ideas challenged. What did you think this was?

My personal opinion about the people who ask questions like this ("what's the point?") or make statements about how the site seems to be "going downhill" or state that what they see/read/experience ends up being "too much" for them to cope with, or how everyone seems to be at one another's throats - is that they aren't ready to face the world without rose-colored glasses. There's still some sort of a shell that needs cracked through. There is still a lot of shoring up of defenses and investigations into the very best arguments their chosen path has to offer that they need to embark on. They simply aren't "ready" in a way. They need shelter. And while it may seem incredibly inviting at times, make no mistake - that kind of shelter is more a prison than a happy home.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not saying that people shouldn't debate. I'm just asking why people who are close minded and don't want to have their worldview challenged debate others. I'm not telling others what to do... I'm just asking a question, that's it.
 

A Vestigial Mote

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not saying that people shouldn't debate. I'm just asking why people who are close minded and don't want to have their worldview challenged debate others. I'm not telling others what to do... I'm just asking a question, that's it.
I see. Then my apologies. This was more of a "What does everyone get out of this?", rather than an exasperated "What the heck is the point of it all?" My mistake.
 
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