Putting god first!

stvdv · Jun 11, 2019

atanu said:
If you were to put God first in your life without harming anyone, should that sicken anyone?

I agree with this. The Bible says "Love is the greatest Commandment". My Masters says "The Bible can be summarized by 4 words: Hurt Never, Help Ever". It should not sicken anyone, and If it sickens someone that person created a self-inflicted sickness (not smart IMO).

TagliatelliMonster said:
Honestly, I don't think it's possible that that won't harm anyone.

Theoretically I believe it is possible. But it's not possible if a religious person is arrogant and claims that his religion is better than other religions.

Practically I also see that religious people create a lot of harm, especially in name of their own "God" .. making themselves hypocrites.

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
There isn't a single shred of evidence for any supernatural thing whatsoever - be it resurrections or other magical shenannigans.

There is, but you've apparently been blinded to it. Nor will you read the following to see the evidences presented.

"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.

stvdv · Jun 11, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
Perhaps a concrete example would make sense. Pardon the Godwin thingy, but it's for clarity.

Nicely found (I didn't know "Godwin theory")

TagliatelliMonster said:
Suppose that there's zero evidence that WW2 ever happened and that Adolf Hitler can't be shown to be any more then a character in a book. So we can then consider Hitler as a "concept" much like the biblical god. Let's say that Nazi's are people who completely believe the claims of this book AND worship Hitler as their god.

TagliatelliMonster said:
We unbelievers, don't believe this Hitler ever existed.
But when we are talking to Nazi's and explicitly discussing the character of this Hitler as depicted in the book... wouldn't you expect things to get a bit emotional? I sure would.

As I see it:
a) Religions: People should respect other's (lack of) religions, meaning not to belittle feelings/beliefs of others nor being arrogant themselves
b) Hitler Nazis: Same problem as with religious people ... no respect for feelings/faith of others ... disrespectful crossing borders (physical, mental)

As long as people think it is "oke" to be disrespectful towards each other, problems will keep coming. All know the Golden Rule "do (not) unto others what you do (not) want them to do unto you", but many refuse to apply this when it comes to religion and feelings of others.

To 100% respect (not hurting) others I came to the conclusion that this is only possible if I do not believe in "1 Truth for all" on earth. All humans can choose their own way and I do not believe in "Jesus is the only way for all". Atheists and humanist have as good a chance to reach "the ultimate goal" as Christians or others (assuming there is an ultimate goal of course)

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
I partly disagree.

A supernatural even is an event that, quite literally, can't happen. As it necessarily requires the suspension or violation of natural laws. And when we call something "impossible", then that is exactly what we mean by that word: it would require natural laws to be violated / suspended.

So the "supernatural" is pretty much "impossible" - by definition of the words "supernatural" and "impossible".

A "supernatural miracle" is something that can not happen yet happens anyway, after all...

That's your opinion, not a fact. Science has never demonstrated that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
Do you realise that what you suggested here, is the equivalent of suggesting someone who is "sickened" by the action of Adolf Hitler, to bring his concerns to him so that perhaps Hitler can "straighten that out for him"?

What? Now Hitler is like God?

stvdv · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
What? Now Hitler is like God?

No he was not, he made a creative and useful analogy. But you have to read the context in which it was given (a few clicks back)

JJ50 · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
What? Now Hitler is like God?

The Biblical god character is worse than Hitler.

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

JJ50 said:
The Biblical god character is worse than Hitler.

Flush.

Nobody choose to go to the concentration camps; Hitler forced people to go. No one forces anyone into hell. God gives us a choice here on earth where we want to go.

And don't confuse murder with divine justice on evil individuals and/or nations.

JJ50 · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
Flush.

Nobody choose to go to the concentration camps; Hitler forced people to go. No one forces anyone into hell. God gives us a choice here on earth where we want to go.

And don't confuse murder with divine justice on evil individuals and/or nations.

The god character is supposed to have flooded the whole world when having a temper tantrum killing everyone apart from that chap, Noah, his family and two of every creature in the world. Even if all the humans were bad, which is ridiculous, what had the animals done wrong?

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

JJ50 said:
The god character is supposed to have flooded the whole world when having a temper tantrum killing everyone apart from that chap, Noah, his family and two of every creature in the world. Even if all the humans were bad, which is ridiculous, what had the animals done wrong?

First of all, the humans were doing wrong.

"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

As for the animals, You'll have to submit that one to God in prayer.

JJ50 · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
First of all, the humans were doing wrong.

"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

As for the animals, You'll have to submit that one to God in prayer.

Oh dear, what a lame excuse for the wickedness of your version of god.

Audie · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
That's your opinion, not a fact. Science has never demonstrated that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

That is really like super deep and important!!
Worthy of bold font.

Here is another utter failure of science-
Science has never demonstrated that BATBOY
and his SECRET MOON LAB do not and cannot exist.

Any chance that more to the point is that there
is no more to demonstrate the "supernatural"
or any "god" than there is for Batboy?

Audie · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
First of all, the humans were doing wrong.

"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

As for the animals, You'll have to submit that one to God in prayer.

There was no flood-and if you want to bring up science
re whether something exists or not, there is a vast
body of data that disproves the "flood" story.

There was no flood. But you insist your "god" did it.

IF it turns out that there is a god, and you get to meet it,
you may have cause to regret the false claims you have
made.

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

Audie said:
There was no flood-and if you want to bring up science
re whether something exists or not, there is a vast
body of data that disproves the "flood" story.

There was no flood. But you insist your "god" did it.

IF it turns out that there is a god, and you get to meet it,
you may have cause to regret the false claims you have
made.

Jesus confirmed the flood. I'll take his word over the flood deniers all day long.

JJ50 · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
Jesus confirmed the flood. I'll take his word over the flood deniers all day long.

Oh dear, never mind, your responses would be amusing if they weren't so sad.

Audie · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
Flush.

Nobody choose to go to the concentration camps; Hitler forced people to go. No one forces anyone into hell. God gives us a choice here on earth where we want to go.

And don't confuse murder with divine justice on evil individuals and/or nations.

I can see it now, the Lord thy God up and says
to Himself- I have a Divine idea!

I will send a henchman-angel with a sword to kill
all the firstborn of Egypt! THAT will teach that
stupid pharoah what Divine Justice looks like!!

Audie · Jun 11, 2019

Spartan said:
Jesus confirmed the flood. I'll take his word over the flood deniers all day long.

I have no doubt at all that you believe there was a
flood, and that your "Jesus" said there was.

Some have believed he said they could take up
serpents, and have found that while they could,
they experienced a lot of pain on the way to the grave.

I do understand the appeal of thinking you
have infallible access to perfect truth.

The boys of 911, of course, thought they had
that too.

It would be of some interest to see the look on
your face if you ever met your "god" and found
out you'd been falsely accusing him of being
a the psycho monster who would actually do
such a thing.

JJ50 · Jun 11, 2019

Audie said:
I have no doubt at all that you believe there was a
flood, and that your "Jesus" said there was.

Some have believed he said they could take up
serpents, and have found that while they could,
they experienced a lot of pain on the way to the grave.

I do understand the appeal of thinking you
have infallible access to perfect truth.

The boys of 911, of course, thought they had
that too.

It would be of some interest to see the look on
your face if you ever met your "god" and found
out you'd been falsely accusing him of being
a the psycho monster who would actually do
such a thing.

Nice one!

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

Audie said:
I can see it now, the Lord thy God up and says
to Himself- I have a Divine idea!

I will send a henchman-angel with a sword to kill
all the firstborn of Egypt! THAT will teach that
stupid pharoah what Divine Justice looks like!!

Have you never read the Bible? Why did you miss this:

'The king of Egypt told the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was called Shiphrah and the other Puah, “When you act as midwives for the Hebrew women, look on the birth stool - if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, she may live.” - Exodus chapter 1

Glad to help you out!

Spartan · Jun 11, 2019

Audie said:
It would be of some interest to see the look on
your face if you ever met your "god" and found
out you'd been falsely accusing him of being
a the psycho monster who would actually do
such a thing.

Where do you get this nonsense from?

Putting god first!

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