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How Far Would Christianity Have Gotten If Christians Hadn't Given Jesus A Makeover

Skwim

Veteran Member
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

jesuschrist.jpg

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

jesus-real-three-sides-1024x415.jpg


So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

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My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Given America and Europe's history of racism, it is not surprising Jesus is depicted as being one of European descent. Whether or not it's slick PR I'm sure the message of Jesus would have prevailed. I believe Christianity would have been more embracing of cultural and racial diversity if Jesus had been depicted as a Middle Eastern man.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

jesuschrist.jpg

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

jesus-real-three-sides-1024x415.jpg

So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

It doesn't matter what Jesus physical body looked like. His message was His purpose. The shell He was in is irrelevant. Figures from history are often portrayed differently than they were actually in physical form. Especially important or influential figures.

Do you really think Spartans worked out 24/7 and had immaculate bods like in the movie 300?
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Of course not, because even those actors with modern work out equipment, nutritionist, and physical trainers still needed makeup to highlight certain muscular features to improve their "physical fitness".
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

jesuschrist.jpg

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

jesus-real-three-sides-1024x415.jpg

So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

.


And in China, etc., he was depicted with oriental features.

His appearance varies in the iconography of the Eastern Orthodox churches, both spatially and over time.

The image of the Buddha also varies by local ethnicity.

Yes, it probably helps to create images that match the local ethnicity...but then, how do you explain the spread of Islam?

But it probably helps more to have the backing of a government that willingly will kill those who refuse to convert...
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

jesuschrist.jpg

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

jesus-real-three-sides-1024x415.jpg

So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

.


I saw the documentary years ago....
no big deal to me

and of course....we get to meet Him
face to face

especially if you say anything of Him

we shall all have a day of reckoning
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Given America and Europe's history of racism, it is not surprising Jesus is depicted as being one of European descent. Whether or not it's slick PR I'm sure the message of Jesus would have prevailed. I believe Christianity would have been more embracing of cultural and racial diversity if Jesus had been depicted as a Middle Eastern man.

I have noticed that every culture and ethnicity has portrayed Jesus as one of them. Those of African descent portray Him as black. Europeans portray Him as light brown hair with blue eyes. Asians portray Him as Asian. It's only been fairly recently that people have been paying attention to the probability that He was short, dark and Aramaic.

....and it is no more 'racist' for Europeans to portray Him as almost Nordic than it is for black and hispanic people to portray Him as one of THEM.

And they do.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
healing-paralytic.jpg



The Healing of the Paralytic, a fresco dating back to 235 A.D. found in Dura-Europos church in Syria, is the earliest known depiction of Jesus Christ's appearance.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

jesuschrist.jpg

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

jesus-real-three-sides-1024x415.jpg

So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

.


If Jesus only was like this.......

 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I believe it was Jesus spiritual teachings alone that were the cause of and still remains the cause of ahis ever abiding influence on billions of hearts and minds.

When I think of Jesus His wonderful teachings of love come to mind not any depiction. His Spirit is what attracts and responsible for His influence in my opinion.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Jesus is depicted as he is internalized. What he ACTUALLY looked like is unknown to us, and of no real importance, because he is a mythological character, now. A representation of an ideal. Some people understand this, and some don't.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I have noticed that every culture and ethnicity has portrayed Jesus as one of them. Those of African descent portray Him as black. Europeans portray Him as light brown hair with blue eyes. Asians portray Him as Asian. It's only been fairly recently that people have been paying attention to the probability that He was short, dark and Aramaic.

....and it is no more 'racist' for Europeans to portray Him as almost Nordic than it is for black and hispanic people to portray Him as one of THEM.

And they do.

The history of racism within Eurpoe and America is undeniable. I agree that other cultures have been racist too, but that doesn't justify or excuse our own history.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
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"From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.
Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

So, would Christianity have grown as much as it has if Jesus looked like . . .

My guess is, not. It was almost imperative that he undergo a radical makeover.

Well, when you do see Him, you will know what he looks like. :)
 
Based on modern genetics, Jesus probably looked like a Southern European (Caucasian). Presenting him as "white" is fine.

Ironically, most of these whining "Jesus was a brown POC" type arguments are actually based on a racist logic.

Anyway, as noted, all cultures represent him according to their own culture, and this is both to be expected and absolutely fine.

 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Do you really think Spartans worked out 24/7 and had immaculate bods like in the movie 300?View attachment 29875

Of course not, because even those actors with modern work out equipment, nutritionist, and physical trainers still needed makeup to highlight certain muscular features to improve their "physical fitness".

It doesn't have anything to do with the topic, but I can't help but comment on this one...

Let me start by saying I have no real knowledge on this subject. So this is just an opinion but which I think nevertheless is quite likely...

I expect people from that age (men as well as women, but likely especially men) to have been, on average, a lot "fitter" then men today.

After all, back in those days, it's not like people would sit in front of the TV 4 hours a day while drinking coca cola and eating chips.... or sit behind a computer screen / desk 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for "work".

I know plenty of guys, myself included actually, who BARELY move. I work in IT and I sit down 8+ hours per day. Then I go home and I sit there as well in front of the TV like a real couch potato.
If it wasn't for playing the drums, I'ld have no exercise at all. Incidently... the drums.... also sitting down!


Life was *slightly* different some 2500 years ago.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
If Jesus only was like this.......

well now.....what if you misspoke yourself
as Peter did
and the Carpenter turns on YOU

and uses the name Satan as He is looking you in the eye

bear in mind all the things you have seen Him do
beyond compare
beyond explanation

and He has turned on you

even if He spoke with quiet technique

how would you feel?
 
A white supremacist, super very very ultra racist depiction of Jesus from the OP article

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A Palestinian, "Middle Eastern" woman (Ahed Tamimi who was likely supported by many people who would claim depicting Jesus in the above manner was monstrously racist :grinning:):

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