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How reliable is peer review

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Not a bad article. I see many times in discussions here where it is voiced only peer reviewed links are acceptable. It also goes into ways to improve peer review. Granted the study is from 2006 but it still interesting. I posted one paragraph and the conclusion of the complete article/study. If you want to read more click the link.

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals.

The defects of peer review.
So we have little evidence on the effectiveness of peer review, but we have considerable evidence on its defects. In addition to being poor at detecting gross defects and almost useless for detecting fraud it is slow, expensive, profligate of academic time, highly subjective, something of a lottery, prone to bias, and easily abused.

CONCLUSION
So peer review is a flawed process, full of easily identified defects with little evidence that it works. Nevertheless, it is likely to remain central to science and journals because there is no obvious alternative, and scientists and editors have a continuing belief in peer review. How odd that science should be rooted in belief.

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

All "good" objectivity is determined by a subjectivity or a subjective judgment.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Admitting flaws is not the issue. I have been here on RF a long time, and have an excellent reputation as a scientist and accurately citing scientific references. On the other hand all you have shown is your incompetence and anti-science agenda.

I've never said anything against science.

My argument has always been peer review is flawed, bias, needs work, etc.
Studies show that is correct.

You jump on board like I'm attacking science. That's your error.

Let's try this. Same difference if you had a 70 SS chevelle you restored to cherry. I look it over and say I don't like your ignition system because it's weak. I'm not saying your whole car is bad or flawed, just part of it.

Same difference with peer review. I'm not saying science is bad or flawed, but peer review is flawed and needs work to be better.

Good night
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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I've never said anything against science.

My argument has always been peer review is flawed, bias, needs work, etc.
Studies show that is correct.

You jump on board like I'm attacking science. That's your error.

Let's try this. Same difference if you had a 70 SS chevelle you restored to cherry. I look it over and say I don't like your ignition system because it's weak. I'm not saying your whole car is bad or flawed, just part of it.

Same difference with peer review. I'm not saying science is bad or flawed, but peer review is flawed and needs work to be better.

Good night
What is your conclusion based on? Is it just a couple of articles that you read or read about or do you have a deeper experience with science and the peer review process?
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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My name is Frank A. Doonan 611 Harper Road, Hillsborough, NC 27278, (919) 923-7803, shunyadragon@gmail,com. I will not be anonymous, and my resume and references are available upon request.
That is putting your money where your mouth is. That does answer the question I had about your avatar.

I just missed being a neighbor of yours. I was in the final two for a position at North Carolina State. Alas, they went with the other person.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
What is your conclusion based on? Is it just a couple of articles that you read or read about or do you have a deeper experience with science and the peer review process?

Both. And it's more than just a couple studies. There are plenty that in my opinion I see as credible like the two I've already linked.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I've never said anything against science.

My argument has always been peer review is flawed, bias, needs work, etc.
Studies show that is correct.

You jump on board like I'm attacking science. That's your error.

Let's try this. Same difference if you had a 70 SS chevelle you restored to cherry. I look it over and say I don't like your ignition system because it's weak. I'm not saying your whole car is bad or flawed, just part of it.

Same difference with peer review. I'm not saying science is bad or flawed, but peer review is flawed and needs work to be better.

Good night
70 SS chevelle has nothing to do with science, but I did have a neat cherry red 1968 chevelle.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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Premium Member
Both. And it's more than just a couple studies. There are plenty that in my opinion I see as credible like the two I've already linked.
So you have been involved in publishing and peer review?

Well, it is a fairly under-researched area that is only now getting some credible attention.

What other studies do you consider as credible and revealing?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
70 SS chevelle has nothing to do with science, but I did have a neat cherry red 1968 chevelle.

It's an analogy. Something a scientist should have picked up on right out.

But again you avoid the content and give opinion.

Have a good night. Grampa'ing takes up time. Cooking cookies with one, watching one play the PS4 and playing chess with the third.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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Premium Member
70 SS chevelle has nothing to do with science, but I did have a neat cherry red 1968 chevelle.
I really like the 1966/1967 model years. There used to be a white 1967 Chevelle SS that the owner kept parked along the street near the house where I grew up. It would have been a nice fixer upper.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
It's an analogy. Something a scientist should have picked up on right out.

But again you avoid the content and give opinion.

Have a good night. Grampa'ing takes up time. Cooking cookies with one, watching one play the PS4 and playing chess with the third.

Good way to dodge and duck out without addressing the many responses that addressed this subject throughout the thread.

Science is not opinion.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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If you're picking for information, you've already received all you are getting.
So nothing then. Wasn't it you that was claiming avoidance earlier?

If you claim there are other papers, it is not unreasonable to ask about them. If you are claiming a deeper knowledge of the process, it is not unreasonable to ask after that. I am not asking who you are or what you do. You made claims. I am asking for some reason to consider you claims valid.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So nothing then. Wasn't it you that was claiming avoidance earlier?

If you claim there are other papers, it is not unreasonable to ask about them. If you are claiming a deeper knowledge of the process, it is not unreasonable to ask after that. I am not asking who you are or what you do. You made claims. I am asking for some reason to consider you claims valid.

Many things on the net. You seem interested so I will leave this.

Peer review is flawed - Bing

If you don't like Bing, use Google.

Everybody wants links, yet when links are posted they complain but don't refute. Why should anyone even post the links?
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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Premium Member
Not meaningful at all considering the peer review process is only one step in the research process.
Scientific work is under constant scrutiny. I recall a professor of mine showing me some papers on snail taxonomy that was a sort of side interest of his. The methods and conclusions were good work for the 1960's when the papers were published. He showed me some of his work that demonstrated the taxonomy in those 1960's papers could be rejected based on his work using more advanced molecular techniques.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
Staff member
Premium Member
Many things on the net. You seem interested so I will leave this.

Peer review is flawed - Bing

If you don't like Bing, use Google.

Everybody wants links, yet when links are posted they complain but don't refute. Why should anyone even post the links?
So you claim it, but you are not even going to bother to address a reasonable request for papers that you specifically feel have merit in the discussion. I was not asking for many things on the net or search results. I was asking for things that are relevant in your opinion and why you consider them relevant.

You may want to retract comments you made to others about avoidance and anyone on here being able to claim things whether they are true or not.
 
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