The Reverend Bob
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It is like George Carlin said "The earth will be fine, it is the people who are ****ed!"
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Does this cause you to worry?
- Thread starter Nimos
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If you die, then game over. Nothing left to worry about. If you survive then you survive. Deal the best you can in the situation you find yourself in. Why waste time worrying about what may or may not happen. Just deal with it if/when it does.
Nimos
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But it is possible to worry about these things as we could actually do something about them. Why do we spend money and time on trying to find cures for diseases and all the others things. Why not just use the solution you suggest and just say, well if you survive that great and if you die, well that fine as well.
PS. Lovely song
But it is possible to worry about these things as we could actually do something about them. Why do we spend money and time on trying to find cures for diseases and all the others things. Why not just use the solution you suggest and just say, well if you survive that great and if you die, well that fine as well.
PS. Lovely song
Worrying is not doing. I think I said you deal with the situation that you are currently facing. How do you deal with something that hasn't happened yet?
Etritonakin
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Nah... We're all pretty much goners, but we get a do-over and invulnerable bodies which allow nature to be subject to us.
Philippians 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereof he is able to subdue all things unto himself
Philippians 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereof he is able to subdue all things unto himself
(image is from "https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S209592731830375X-gr4.jpg" article "Redirecting" on global oxygen budget)
Greenhouse effect is very likely to kill a lot of us. Are you ready to hear about our coming doom?
A scary report comes from researchers at Dalhousie University and is referenced in Scientific American. Apparently the plankton population (and our oxygen) is going away not replenishing rather than only rising oceans and temperatures or only increased CO2 levels. So far there has been a 40% decrease in plankton since the 1950's. They haven't announced an estimate of how far the oxygen production will fall that factors in loss of plankton, however it will be catastrophic for us if the dead-zones in the ocean continue to double every decade. The image above is not from the report by Dalhousie and is part of another report on global oxygen levels.
www scientificamerican com/article/phytoplankton-population
I'm not worried, and the less oxygen there is the less I'll think about anything. IQ levels will drop a little.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
So no family members you worry about? The state of animals around the world? Kids? Food? Health?
I thought people following buddha actually cared about something, guess I have to check up on what those actually believe in
Nope. Caring does not entail worrying. The more you worry, the more you're apt to miss an opportunity to really help.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Even if these catastrophes were even real, worrying about them would change absolutely nothing. You do what you can about a situation and then you move on. Worrying is for suckers...
I too don't find worrying to be productive. There are some thing we can't do anything about so why worry about them? There are some things we might be able to influence, so why not act according to our best understanding of what would be helpful.
To quote: "Do your best and leave the results to God" (assuming of course you believe in God)
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Exactly.
Nimos
Well-Known Member
What do you mean haven't happened yet? Only 4 of the things on the list haven't happened yet, and one of them we can see the effect of on Venus.
If we have to wait for the meteor to be on course to Earth, its slightly to late. If we are unable to detect it. We have the technology and knowledge to create a much more effective system for that.
Pandemics have occurred in passed history and is not something that is made up. Being prepared for when it happens especially in a world where you can travel anywhere you want within a few hours. Would make it run rampage, especially if we don't have the facilities to create cures.
Global warming is happening as we speak, animals, plant life and sea life is really not having a good time either.
We know volcanoes exists and what exactly we can do about that, is probably the worse as I don't think we have a solution. But also I would assume this is the one less likely to occur. But I don't know if scientists know whether, global warming can have an effect on this as well.
Nuclear wars are always a risk, and even though we haven't had a total nuclear war, we definitely know the effect of what happens when both bombs are dropped or when nuclear plants explode.
So for the ones we haven't tried yet, why wouldn't or shouldn't we be prepared or try to prevent them the best we can, instead of waiting for the stuff to go wrong. I mean that was how we handled global warming and it doesn't seem to be a very good approach?
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Nimos
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I don't think I understand that. Why should I worry about something I don't care about? How do you separate the two?
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You can control things within your realm by preparing such as: locking my doors to avoid robbery, eating healthy to avoid disease, don't eat factory farmed meat, taking care of my animals because they deserve it, raising my children in a way that they'll be able to take care of themselves as adults, don't litter, recycle, re-use, re-purpose, and so on...
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I didn't say anything about not dealing with a current situation. The question is about worrying, not about doing.
Nimos
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But if you don't worry you definitely won't do anything. Can you give me an example of something you would do, if it didn't worried about it one way or another?
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QuestioningMind
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Wow Im surprised that none seems to worried about this. Just wondering what do you worry about then?
I tend to save my worry for things that I have some degree of personal control over. The majority of the things you listed are completely out of the control of human beings, so worrying about them isn't going to alter whether or not they happen. The others that are affected by humans are also threats that I personally have little or no control over. I can spend every hour of every day worried about the threat of nuclear war, but that worry isn't going to change in any way whether or not some idiot with access to nuclear weapons starts a nuclear war.
Nimos
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I wouldn't expect people to sit in a chair as complete nerve wrecks
But I have to say that im actually really surprised of how people look at these things. Either they give the impression that its not real things we are talking about here or that its simply not important enough to care about.Because personally, I apparently fail to see how any of these, except maybe the volcano one is less of a worry than for instance starving people in Africa are. I can't personally fix starvation there or do anything about poverty around the world. So following some peoples examples here, its not really something to worry about at all, I find that very strange.
Plague
Black Death
From 1331 to 1353. The total number of deaths worldwide is estimated at 75 million people.[16] Eight hundred years after the last outbreak, the plague returned to Europe. Starting in Asia, the disease reached Mediterranean and western Europe in 1348 (possibly from Italian merchants fleeing fighting in Crimea), and killed an estimated 20 to 30 million Europeans in six years;[17] a third of the total population,[18] and up to a half in the worst-affected urban areas.[19] It was the first of a cycle of European plague epidemics that continued until the 18th century.[20] There were more than 100 plague epidemics in Europe in this period.[21] The disease recurred in England every two to five years from 1361 to 1480.[22] By the 1370s, England's population was reduced by 50%.[23] The Great Plague of London of 1665–66 was the last major outbreak of the plague in England. The disease killed approximately 100,000 people, 20% of London's population.[24]
The third plague pandemic started in China in 1855, and spread to India, where 10 million people died.
Antonine
165–180 AD. Possibly smallpox brought to the Italian peninsula by soldiers returning from the Near East; it killed a quarter of those infected, and up to five million in all.[12] At the height of a second outbreak, the Plague of Cyprian (251–266), which may have been the same disease, 5,000 people a day were said to be dying in Rome.
Justinian
From 541 to 750, was the first recorded outbreak of the bubonic plague. It started in Egypt, and reached Constantinople the following spring, killing (according to the Byzantine chronicler Procopius) 10,000 a day at its height, and perhaps 40% of the city's inhabitants. The plague went on to eliminate a quarter to a half of the human population that it struck throughout the known world.[13][14] It caused Europe's population to drop by around 50% between 550 AD and 700 AD.[15]
Cholera
Since it became widespread in the 19th century, cholera has killed tens of millions of people.
Influenza
Asiatic or Russian Flu lasted one year, 1 million death.
Spanish flu lasted around two years and is estimated to have killed between 20 to 100 million people.
Asian Flu lasted one year and killed 1 to 1.5 million
Think about the amount of death from those above and I didn't include all, and this is in societies where its not easy to travel around as fast as it is today.
Vaccine
A vaccine probably would not be available in the initial stages of population infection.[83] A vaccine cannot be developed to protect against a virus which does not exist yet. The avian flu virus H5N1 has the potential to mutate into a pandemic strain, but so do other types of flu virus. Once a potential virus is identified and a vaccine is approved, it normally takes five to six months before the vaccine becomes available.[84]
The capability to produce vaccines varies widely from country to country; only 19 countries are listed as "influenza vaccine manufacturers" according to the World Health Organization.[85] It is estimated that, in a best scenario situation, 750 million doses could be produced each year, whereas it is likely that each individual would need two doses of the vaccine to become immuno-competent. Distribution to and inside countries would probably be problematic.[86] Several countries, however, have well-developed plans for producing large quantities of vaccine. For example, Canadian health authorities say that they are developing the capacity to produce 32 million doses within four months, enough vaccine to inoculate every person in the country.[87]
There are about 7.7 billion people in the world and in a best case scenario its estimated that we can make 750 million a year, divide it by 2 as people might need two shots its 375 millions on a global scale a year.
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So you don't care how you die drowning is just as good as dying from old age? About people that starve around the world?
It seems a lot of you don't really look at the bigger picture, because I bet you would worry about your child not getting any food? (At least I hope) Yet a global collapse of the environment no issue at all. A pandemic which already in the passed have kill millions of people, nothing to worry about, even though it could just as easy hit you or your kids. So you wouldn't rather have your love ones die a natural death, than starving to death or die from a virus or whatever. Nothing of that matters, that is very surprising to me, I have to say
In this world you are constantly changed at any moment something good could happen or something bad. Bad things and good things will continually happen to everyone. Death is a release from the challenges of the world. The world is also teetering on overpopulation a reduction of population would be beneficial to the survivors.
When a child dies or a loved one or for that matter any person I'm aware of dying, I remind myself of all the suffering they will avoid. Life is not just happy things everyone suffers everyday.
Massive solar flare would do it too. Well, it would reduce the planet to a sterile hunk of rock unless the solar flare is from Sol, which could conceivably vaporize the planet.
But I agree, most of this is anthropocentric.
You can be aware of the problem and even try to reduce some of its effects while accepting that having personal anxiety about it won't fix it. The less I can control a situation the less I worry. Otherwise it's like pouring water into a cup with no bottom.