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PureX

Veteran Member
We shouldn't let the altruism of a few good citizens cause us to ignore the gross shortcomings of America and it's people regarding the greed and neglect that we support, embody, and proclaim as virtue.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
We shouldn't let the altruism of a few good citizens cause us to ignore the gross shortcomings of America and it's people regarding the greed and neglect that we support, embody, and proclaim as virtue.

One should celebrate good, so that those who wish to do good wish to continue.
BTW, according to the World Giving Index, the USA is ranked as either the most giving nation in the world, or the second most giving nation in the world, with Australia, evidently, coming in third.

The recent Gallup Poll tells us that while the USA wasn't in the top spot last year, it was certainly up there...and US citizens, according to that article, "the amount Americans donated was more than the entire GDP of all but about 40 countries in the world."

You are painting Americans as evil personified; that only a very few of us are 'good,' and all the rest of us are greedy, neglectful...etc.

And that is simply untrue. Are there evil Americans? Sure. There are evil people everywhere. However, you have this backwards. It's not 'a few good citizens,' bub. it's "we shouldn't let the acts of a few evil citizens cause us to ignore the charity, love and support that Americans have for each other and the citizens of the rest of the world."

I would hate to live in your world, where nothing good is acknowledged and only evil is ever seen.

Perhaps it would be good to acknowledge the good in people and in nations BEFORE you slam everybody?

Just sayin'.
 

Samana Johann

Restricted by request
What isn't given is lost

When a house is on fire
the vessel salvaged
is the one that will be of use,
not the one left there to burn.

So when the world is on fire
with aging and death,
one should salvage [one's wealth] by giving:
what's given is well salvaged.

What's given bears fruit as pleasure.
What isn't given does not:
thieves take it away, or kings;
it gets burnt by fire or lost.

Then in the end
one leaves the body
together with one's possessions.
Knowing this, the intelligent man
enjoys possessions & gives.

Having enjoyed & given
in line with his means,
uncensured he goes
to the heavenly state.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I hadn't realized it was an international charity. Looking at charity watch, it seems like an excellent organization with dedicated individuals.
 

Samana Johann

Restricted by request
How a person of integrity gives a gift

"These five are a person of integrity's gifts. Which five? A person of integrity gives a gift with a sense of conviction. A person of integrity gives a gift attentively. A person of integrity gives a gift in season. A person of integrity gives a gift with an empathetic heart. A person of integrity gives a gift without adversely affecting himself or others.

AN 5.148

 

PureX

Veteran Member
One should celebrate good, so that those who wish to do good wish to continue.
BTW, according to the World Giving Index, the USA is ranked as either the most giving nation in the world, or the second most giving nation in the world, with Australia, evidently, coming in third.
You missed my point. It's not about helping each other as a spectacular gesture. It's about helping each other as part of our social structure. It doesn't really matter how 'giving' we Americans are in terms of individual charity when we are now a nation that starts wars on a regular basis to fill the pockets of politicians and industrialists. Or when we create and support social, political, and economic systems that allow human beings to suffer and die because they are not 'profitable'. Often the focus on individual giving is used as a way of ignoring and excusing our own culpability in creating the conditions that cause so many to be in need of help in the first place.
 

Samana Johann

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Generostiy, A requisite for spiritual progress

"Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana... the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; incapable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship. Which five? Stinginess as to one's dwelling [lodgings], stinginess as to one's family [of supporters], stinginess as to one's gains, stinginess as to one's status, and ingratitude. Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana... the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; one is incapable realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship.

"With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the first jhana... the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; capable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship..."

AN 5.256-263
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
You missed my point. It's not about helping each other as a spectacular gesture. It's about helping each other as part of our social structure. It doesn't really matter how 'giving' we Americans are in terms of individual charity when we are now a nation that starts wars on a regular basis to fill the pockets of politicians and industrialists. Or when we create and support social, political, and economic systems that allow human beings to suffer and die because they are not 'profitable'. Often the focus on individual giving is used as a way of ignoring and excusing our own culpability in creating the conditions that cause so many to be in need of help in the first place.


Y'know, just as a matter of observation, if statistics tell us that Americans are among the most charitable and giving of people, and have been for as long as such statistics have been counted, then it could be said that giving and charity...and responsibility and love for others...is very much a part of our social structure. It's part of who we are.

It is part of who we are, individually. Not mandated by a government social program, not enforced by law, but who we are.

I like who we are.

I'm not particularly concerned about whether you do.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Y'know, just as a matter of observation, if statistics tell us that Americans are among the most charitable and giving of people, and have been for as long as such statistics have been counted, then it could be said that giving and charity...and responsibility and love for others...is very much a part of our social structure. It's part of who we are.
But it's not, and you know it's not. We live in a culture that considers greed a virtue, and that makes nearly all decision based on economic profitability rather than human well-being. It is the reason that so many humans are suffering both in the U.S. and around the world. And the fact that some individuals give a little of their 'extra' wealth to help others does not change, nor mitigate the fact that WE ARE a big part of the reason for all that suffering in the first place. We have allowed our own greed to drive nearly everything we do in this country, and the fact that a few or us, once in a while, decide not to give into greed does not excuse who and what we are as a people.

Stories like this have a tendency to be used by people who want to imagine that we Americans are all so kind and generous when we are far, far, from it. And even worse, these people have a tendency to use these stories as justification for our systemic greed by imagining that these individual acts of generosity somehow magically 'correct' it. Which is certainly NOT true.

And you appear to be one of them.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
But it's not, and you know it's not. We live in a culture that considers greed a virtue, and that makes nearly all decision based on economic profitability rather than human well-being. It is the reason that so many humans are suffering both in the U.S. and around the world. And the fact that some individuals give a little of their 'extra' wealth to help others does not change, nor mitigate the fact that WE ARE a big part of the reason for all that suffering in the first place. We have allowed our own greed to drive nearly everything we do in this country, and the fact that a few or us, once in a while, decide not to give into greed does not excuse who and what we are as a people.

Stories like this have a tendency to be used by people who want to imagine that we Americans are all so kind and generous when we are far, far, from it. And even worse, these people have a tendency to use these stories as justification for our systemic greed by imagining that these individual acts of generosity somehow magically 'correct' it. Which is certainly NOT true.

And you appear to be one of them.


Y'know, I am constantly accused of coming to my conclusions by using subjective and emotional evidence, and not looking at reality.

......and here you are, telling us all how evil Americans are, when objective evidence gathered over many years tells us that we are not.

(shrug)

Well, you go ahead and believe us all to be evil greedy whatevers all you want to, but as for me?

I'm going to go with real numbers. See ya.
 
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