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Gods and blood

sooda

Veteran Member
I recently wrote a piece on Quora that I'll share with you:

Human sacrifice was an ancient and widespread practice:

“Human sacrifice has been practiced in various cultures throughout history. Victims were typically ritually killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease gods, spirits or the deceased, for example, as a propitiatory offeringor as a retainer sacrifice when a king's servants are killed in order for them to continue to serve their master in the next life.”

Human sacrifice - Wikipedia

If we consider the story of the “sacrifice” of the son of Abraham there are in my view some interesting features that appear. It was more a test or a trial than an actual sacrifice.

In the story as reported in Genesis the Angel of the Lord intervenes:

“And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.”

Genesis 22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy or do anything to him," said the Angel, "for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from Me."

In the Qur’anic version of the story Abraham’s son is fully aware of the sacrifice and urges his Father to carry it out:

“Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: ‘O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!’ (The son) said: ‘O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills one practicing Patience and Constancy!’ So when they had both submitted their wills (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), We called out to him ‘O Abraham! Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!’ - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. For this was obviously a trial- …”

“…For this was obviously a trial…”

STORIES OF THE HOLY QUR'AN

In an age when human sacrifice was carried out the story of the “sacrifice” of Abraham was a trial… a symbol and an advance for the time over the shedding of blood.

That's what Muslims tell me. They say the Abraham-Isaac (or Ishmael) story is the end of blood sacrifice.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Worship of the gods is not necessarily about what the gods get out of it. It is about humans showing respect to the gods and honoring the nature of their relationship with them. For the most part, gods are powers far greater and grander than humans. Voluntary sacrifices - especially of something as symbolically potent as blood - serve as a ritualistic method of acknowledging that.

There are also gods whose domains specifically include things like warfare, violence, and pain... for whom bloodshed acts as an appeasement or way of honoring them. All of this hearkens to a general principle that is pretty universal in human cultures worldwide and that's reciprocity. Give-and-take is part of every relationship and we must engage in reciprocal exchange. This is often especially important in polytheistic traditions, because the gods are quite literally the various forces around us. The gods give freely and without that we simply do not exist. A bloodletting is a trivial show of sacrifice compared to what the gods provide, but it is among the most potent form of sacrifice we tiny humans can engage in.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Something that I have been curious about. What is it with Gods and blood? Some gods demanded human blood be shed as a sacrifice. Some demanded the blood of animals. In Christianity (the religion of my upbringing) God required that His son shed blood and die for the sins of mankind. So my question is not simply aimed at Abrahamic religions but in general. If God is a spirit (Spirits if you are polytheistic), what good does blood spilled on the ground do a god?

Bloodshed is a human concept of serious paying back, or vengeance. God use this to illustrate the justification that a serious crime demands death. Christ suffering (you may consider it a bloodshed by conception) is the justification for humans who committed crimes to be saved.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Would it be better if there were no laws to govern a society?

I'm not sure how this is relevant to my question regarding why gods require blood. My question is not about law, rather why a spiritual, non-physical being would desire blood.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I recently wrote a piece on Quora that I'll share with you:

Human sacrifice was an ancient and widespread practice:

“Human sacrifice has been practiced in various cultures throughout history. Victims were typically ritually killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease gods, spirits or the deceased, for example, as a propitiatory offeringor as a retainer sacrifice when a king's servants are killed in order for them to continue to serve their master in the next life.”

Human sacrifice - Wikipedia

If we consider the story of the “sacrifice” of the son of Abraham there are in my view some interesting features that appear. It was more a test or a trial than an actual sacrifice.

In the story as reported in Genesis the Angel of the Lord intervenes:

“And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.”

Genesis 22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy or do anything to him," said the Angel, "for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from Me."

In the Qur’anic version of the story Abraham’s son is fully aware of the sacrifice and urges his Father to carry it out:

“Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: ‘O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!’ (The son) said: ‘O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills one practicing Patience and Constancy!’ So when they had both submitted their wills (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), We called out to him ‘O Abraham! Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!’ - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. For this was obviously a trial- …”

“…For this was obviously a trial…”

STORIES OF THE HOLY QUR'AN

In an age when human sacrifice was carried out the story of the “sacrifice” of Abraham was a trial… a symbol and an advance for the time over the shedding of blood.

Thank you @arthra. Interesting thought.
 
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