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Question about two different religions

Frank Goad

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Question about two different religions.Do you think the two religions(the new age religion).(And the religion of occultism).Are flourishing?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Question about two different religions.Do you think the two religions(the new age religion).(And the religion of occultism).Are flourishing?

All religion that is false flourishes in satan's world. (1 John 5:19) You have one that caters to satan masquerading as a good guy, catering to whatever people want to believe (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)....and the other with the mask off, although the source of their power is still "hidden". (Occult means hidden)

You have two evils....what is the choice? Neither leads anywhere good IMO.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Question about two different religions.Do you think the two religions(the new age religion).(And the religion of occultism).Are flourishing?
New Age and occultism aren't religions as much as they are broader movements and phenomena within broader scenes of new religious and spiritual movements. New Age itself is dying out, I think; it's too vapid and wishy-washy, and the movement's been filled with charlatans and nobodies looking to make a quick buck off of gullible seekers and hippies. "Occultism" is an extremely broad term, but I think it has diffused itself into a variety of paganisms and new spiritual traditions.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
All religion that is false flourishes in satan's world.

Well, not necessarily, because many are losing parishioners and influence. People see through the false and contradictory tenets.

Unfortunately, they get taken in by other false, but secular views.

Satan’s got this System wrapped up, though! Thank goodness it will soon be gone! 1 John 2:15-17
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
All started with shamanism.

False religion got its start after the flood of Noah's day. Nimrod features heavily in all the activities of these false gods, as does his mother Semiramis if you do some digging. Its not hard to trace all false worship back to Babylon.

The "greater Babylon" is just a reflection of the original in this time of the end. It encompasses all religion that traces its beliefs and practices back to Nimrod's city, Babylon.....it includes mother goddess worship....a dying god of Winter that is resurrected in the Spring....immortality of the human soul....belief in a fiery hell....multiplicities of gods. There is a common thread that runs through all of them....because these things all have the same author.....God's arch enemy.

God tells us to get out of "Babylon the great" because he is going to destroy all false worship and reintroduce true worship by means of his Kingdom....this will be for all of earth's redeemed inhabitants. (Revelation 18:4; Daniel 2:44) Nothing will stop it.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Well, not necessarily, because many are losing parishioners and influence. People see through the false and contradictory tenets.

That is true.....the mainstream churches are dying and being replaced by the more entertaining Mega-Churches who target people's emotions and get the youth in for rock concerts instead of Bible study. Its a "feel good" substitute...and flourishing with people donating millions of dollars which the heads of these churches seem to profit from. No vows of poverty among those people. They promote a "prosperity gospel" that makes being a disciple of Jesus into a lucrative career. Obviously seems like a good idea to them, but not to God or Christ. (1 John 2:15-17; Hebrews 13:5; 1 Timothy 6:9-10)
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Unfortunately, they get taken in by other false, but secular views.

I cannot fathom how people can fuse Christianity and evolution.....these are two diametrically opposed ideas that somehow get melded so that people don't have to decide one way or another....how convenient. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

Satan’s got this System wrapped up, though! Thank goodness it will soon be gone! 1 John 2:15-17
I agree....its been a long time coming but you and I both know that it will be well worth the wait.
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leov

Well-Known Member
False religion got its start after the flood of Noah's day. Nimrod features heavily in all the activities of these false gods, as does his mother Semiramis if you do some digging. Its not hard to trace all false worship back to Babylon.

The "greater Babylon" is just a reflection of the original in this time of the end. It encompasses all religion that traces its beliefs and practices back to Nimrod's city, Babylon.....it includes mother goddess worship....a dying god of Winter that is resurrected in the Spring....immortality of the human soul....belief in a fiery hell....multiplicities of gods. There is a common thread that runs through all of them....because these things all have the same author.....God's arch enemy.

God tells us to get out of "Babylon the great" because he is going to destroy all false worship and reintroduce true worship by means of his Kingdom....this will be for all of earth's redeemed inhabitants. (Revelation 18:4; Daniel 2:44) Nothing will stop it.
False religion got its start after the flood of Noah's day. Nimrod features heavily in all the activities of these false gods, as does his mother Semiramis if you do some digging. Its not hard to trace all false worship back to Babylon.

The "greater Babylon" is just a reflection of the original in this time of the end. It encompasses all religion that traces its beliefs and practices back to Nimrod's city, Babylon.....it includes mother goddess worship....a dying god of Winter that is resurrected in the Spring....immortality of the human soul....belief in a fiery hell....multiplicities of gods. There is a common thread that runs through all of them....because these things all have the same author.....God's arch enemy.

God tells us to get out of "Babylon the great" because he is going to destroy all false worship and reintroduce true worship by means of his Kingdom....this will be for all of earth's redeemed inhabitants. (Revelation 18:4; Daniel 2:44) Nothing will stop it.
Shaman was a christ to his/her people, he would enter spirit world to intercede f/or his /her people, and was a guide into afterlife.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Shaman was a christ to his/her people, he would enter spirit world to intercede f/or his /her people, and was a guide into afterlife.

The Bible indicates that all false worship that relies on spiritistic practices is demon inspired. God's people were warned not to have anything to do with spiritism for that reason. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12) God calls it "detestable".

It is satan who promotes belief in an afterlife because he told a lie in Eden that he has been propping up ever since....."you surely will not die"....so that when people did die, he invented places for their "souls" to go in order to keep living. The Bible has no such teaching of an afterlife. It teaches resurrection, which is something completely different. When we die, we "sleep" until Christ calls all the dead from their graves. (John 5:28-29) Jesus demonstrated this with his friend Lazarus. Read the account in John 11:11-14 and see where Jesus said Lazarus was before he raised him from the dead.

Only a chosen few are selected by God to rule with Christ in heaven (Revelation 20:6) These are resurrected "first" and their subjects will be largely made up of the resurrected ones whose lives will resume here on earth.
They are also priests, which mean that there has to be sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties. All who go to heaven have left their sinful flesh behind.

So the Bible rules out any notion of an immortal soul. A "soul" in the Bible is a living, breathing creature. Both humans and animals are called souls.

Souls are not immortal......they die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
God created us as mortals but gave us the means to extend our lives forever. Everlasting life is not immortality.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
The Bible indicates that all false worship that relies on spiritistic practices is demon inspired. God's people were warned not to have anything to do with spiritism for that reason. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12) God calls it "detestable".

It is satan who promotes belief in an afterlife because he told a lie in Eden that he has been propping up ever since....."you surely will not die"....so that when people did die, he invented places for their "souls" to go in order to keep living. The Bible has no such teaching of an afterlife. It teaches resurrection, which is something completely different. When we die, we "sleep" until Christ calls all the dead from their graves. (John 5:28-29) Jesus demonstrated this with his friend Lazarus. Read the account in John 11:11-14 and see where Jesus said Lazarus was before he raised him from the dead.

Only a chosen few are selected by God to rule with Christ in heaven (Revelation 20:6) These are resurrected "first" and their subjects will be largely made up of the resurrected ones whose lives will resume here on earth.
They are also priests, which mean that there has to be sinners for whom to perform their priestly duties. All who go to heaven have left their sinful flesh behind.

So the Bible rules out any notion of an immortal soul. A "soul" in the Bible is a living, breathing creature. Both humans and animals are called souls.

Souls are not immortal......they die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
God created us as mortals but gave us the means to extend our lives forever. Everlasting life is not immortality.
It is about worship in spirit and truth. Moses and Christ Jesus appeared only in DUE time.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
It is about worship in spirit and truth. Moses and Christ Jesus appeared only in DUE time.

How much of the worship offered to God is actually acceptable to him? Is close enough good enough? Jesus doesn't seem to think so. Pointing forward to the judgment time, Jesus said...(Matthew 7:21-23)

21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew*you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

Do you see the problem? These ones who acknowledge Jesus as their "Lord" were doing what they thought was right.....but they weren't doing what God said they should have been doing.
Do you see what Jesus calls them in rejecting them as his disciples? "Workers of lawlessness" means that they are ignoring God's laws and making other things more important.

When Jesus says "I never knew you"....."never" means "not ever"....think about that whilst recalling the parable of the "wheat and the weeds". The "weeds" of false Christianity were not sown recently....they have been around for many centuries. The Christianity that people know today is NOT the Christianity that Jesus began. Yet the "wheat" are still growing right beside them. We need to find them. We only have the Bible to identify them.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
How much of the worship offered to God is actually acceptable to him? Is close enough good enough? Jesus doesn't seem to think so. Pointing forward to the judgment time, Jesus said...(Matthew 7:21-23)

21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew*you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

Do you see the problem? These ones who acknowledge Jesus as their "Lord" were doing what they thought was right.....but they weren't doing what God said they should have been doing.
Do you see what Jesus calls them in rejecting them as his disciples? "Workers of lawlessness" means that they are ignoring God's laws and making other things more important.

When Jesus says "I never knew you"....."never" means "not ever"....think about that whilst recalling the parable of the "wheat and the weeds". The "weeds" of false Christianity were not sown recently....they have been around for many centuries. The Christianity that people know today is NOT the Christianity that Jesus began. Yet the "wheat" are still growing right beside them. We need to find them. We only have the Bible to identify them.
Hosea 6:6 is the answer: “ I desire mercy... not sacrifice”. God wants a different thing than many perceive.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Hosea 6:6 is the answer: “ I desire mercy... not sacrifice”. God wants a different thing than many perceive.

Remember that sacrifice was prescribed by God in his law, so this quote has to be taken in context. It means that sacrifice as a mere performance is meaningless unless mercy is extended when dealing with fellow humans. The Jewish nation had fallen into spiritual corruption and may have been performing the required sacrifices, but by engaging in fraud, murder, stealing, adultery, idolatry, and spiritual prostitution, the people showed they had no real knowledge of God; so they faced an accounting for their sinful disobedience.

Israel’s idolatry, moral corruption, and foolishly seeking political alliances with opposing powers (Egypt and Assyria), instead of relying on God for their security, would lead to devastation of the land with the survivors’ being taken away to Assyria.

The lesson is clear.....do what God is asking....not just what you think is right.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Remember that sacrifice was prescribed by God in his law, so this quote has to be taken in context. It means that sacrifice as a mere performance is meaningless unless mercy is extended when dealing with fellow humans. The Jewish nation had fallen into spiritual corruption and may have been performing the required sacrifices, but by engaging in fraud, murder, stealing, adultery, idolatry, and spiritual prostitution, the people showed they had no real knowledge of God; so they faced an accounting for their sinful disobedience.

Israel’s idolatry, moral corruption, and foolishly seeking political alliances with opposing powers (Egypt and Assyria), instead of relying on God for their security, would lead to devastation of the land with the survivors’ being taken away to Assyria.

The lesson is clear.....do what God is asking....not just what you think is right.
Sacrifice was instituted to people who had a differen type of consciousness, different moral code, basically bicameral , so, they needed order in the book, Check Matt. 5:20. If your consciousness is not netter that OT’s you do not fit the Kingdom requirement.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Sacrifice was instituted to people who had a differen type of consciousness, different moral code, basically bicameral , so, they needed order in the book, Check Matt. 5:20. If your consciousness is not netter that OT’s you do not fit the Kingdom requirement.

Matthew 5:20 is talking about "righteousness" not "consciousness". The Pharisees lacked the righteous requirements for entry into the Kingdom. Their conduct led the nation away from God....Jesus came to lead the lost sheep back to him.

I don't understand why you bring up the "bicameral" thing as it is political rather than spiritual. God's nation was a spiritual entity. It operated 'politically' under laws given by him, not the people.

Just as Judaism was corrupted by the traditions of men, so Christianity was corrupted in the same way....and by the same entity.

The "wheat" are still here, standing out as completely different from the weeds as Jesus said they would. The harvest is due any time now and only the wheat will remain when the weeds are destroyed.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Matthew 5:20 is talking about "righteousness" not "consciousness". The Pharisees lacked the righteous requirements for entry into the Kingdom. Their conduct led the nation away from God....Jesus came to lead the lost sheep back to him.

I don't understand why you bring up the "bicameral" thing as it is political rather than spiritual. God's nation was a spiritual entity. It operated 'politically' under laws given by him, not the people.

Just as Judaism was corrupted by the traditions of men, so Christianity was corrupted in the same way....and by the same entity.

The "wheat" are still here, standing out as completely different from the weeds as Jesus said they would. The harvest is due any time now and only the wheat will remain when the weeds are destroyed.
you r. Is defined by your c. It is the same. R. is acceptance of you by God and your consciousness what is on display.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
you r. Is defined by your c. It is the same. R. is acceptance of you by God and your consciousness what is on display.

I beg to differ. Biblically speaking, righteousness is a matter of the heart not the brain. Consciousness is inextricably linked to the physical brain....evaluation of spiritual things is from the figurative heart. Spirituality is not a matter of consciousness...it goes much deeper than that. It is a particular quality that is found in some humans....but not all. God looks for those who have those deeper spiritual qualities.....in fact those without those qualities we will never be granted understanding about anything in connection with Jesus Christ. (John 6:65)
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I beg to differ. Biblically speaking, righteousness is a matter of the heart not the brain. Consciousness is inextricably linked to the physical brain....evaluation of spiritual things is from the figurative heart. Spirituality is not a matter of consciousness...it goes much deeper than that. It is a particular quality that is found in some humans....but not all. God looks for those who have those deeper spiritual qualities.....in fact those without those qualities we will never be granted understanding about anything in connection with Jesus Christ. (John 6:65)
No way consciousness linked to any human physics, brain is just a translator between physical and spiritual bodies. Our individuality is it.
 
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