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The largest invasion?

pearl

Well-Known Member
I don't appreciate the D-Day celebrations being dragged down by current US politics and the immigration debate. I think that is pretty degrading to the entire meaning of what D-Day is all about. Could we not just keep this US nonsense out of D-Day?

Yes, yes, Please.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Could we not just keep this US nonsense out of D-Day?

To be fair that's what D-Day celebrations are all about.



How a Jew can complain about people fleeing for a better life is beyond me.

If you move to another country for a better life you are an (economic) immigrant.
If you flee from war you are a refugee.
If you flee from persecution you can apply for asylum.

If you don't want to be a local farmer or handyman and go to another country you are an immigrant.

It is really not that difficult to understand.


Most Jews (in all of history) did not move to somewhere else to simply find a better life.
We were usually under heavy persecution and then chose to leave.

How is that even remotely similar to current day immigration problems?
Especially since we were never in comparable numbers to just waltz over the border. Your forefathers (as in well everyone's apart from us) would've simply send us back or killed us.

I won't even entertain a Shoah example because it is ridiculous.
Asylum seekers who are under the threat of death in their country of origin usually get their request approved.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Even those who enter our (or any) country illegally?
There are people all over this planet that go from one country to an other without paper according to the law it is not ok to do so, but they are human beings and should be treated as humans not as animals. Even they do wrong yes they should be given a form of punishment, but not the way Trump want to. And i do not support that they split kids and parents.

As i said before i see humans as humans and treat them the same. I dont care where they are from or what color their skin is.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Today, June 6, 2019, marks the anniversary of D-Day, the WW II invasion of Normandy by Allied forces. That invasion had 157,000 participants. It is recognized and acknowledged as one of the largest invasions in history. So far in fiscal 2019 (which began last October) there have been over 600,000 arrests of people attempting to illegally enter the U.S. That’s only the number arrested and interdicted, it doesn’t include those not caught. That is four times as many people as took part in the D-Day invasion.

Shouldn’t the masses coming across the border illegally be properly called an invasion?

I think it's one of the largest amphibious invasions, yes, but in terms of invasions in general, I think Barbarossa was much larger - over 3 million troops.

As for our southern border, one might consider it an "invasion" if Mexico was considered an enemy country. However, for the most part, we consider them to be allies and friends of the United States. We have favored a "good neighbor" policy with them, although in practice, our relationship has been somewhat rocky. Going even further back, we've historically had disputes over the border with Mexico, which had its origins when American settlers started (illegally) moving into what was then Spanish/Mexican territory.

We wanted the territory for America, they wanted it for Mexico, and neither side cared much about what the indigenous people wanted.

I've heard some people talk about illegal immigration and consider it a form of "reconquista." I've heard other proposals to return the American Southwest to Mexico. Either that, or make an independent country called "Republica Del Norte." I don't know how much support there is for that idea, as it seems both Mexico and the US are content with the status quo and the current location of the US-Mexico border.

Only a few radicals support redrawing the borders, and the only ones who talk about it see it as something far off in some distant, unforeseen future. (I remember one guy I talked to who believed that Native Americans should be entitled to annex lands in Europe in compensation for their land being stolen by Europeans.)

And there are many business interests on the US side of the border which still economically benefit from turning the blind eye to illegal immigration. So if this represents an "invasion," then we have numerous aiders and abetters of this "invasion" who have gotten quite wealthy from the whole process. If we define this as an "invasion," then the owners of these businesses are collaborators and should be dealt with as traitors to the United States.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Today, June 6, 2019, marks the anniversary of D-Day, the WW II invasion of Normandy by Allied forces. That invasion had 157,000 participants. It is recognized and acknowledged as one of the largest invasions in history. So far in fiscal 2019 (which began last October) there have been over 600,000 arrests of people attempting to illegally enter the U.S. That’s only the number arrested and interdicted, it doesn’t include those not caught. That is four times as many people as took part in the D-Day invasion.

Shouldn’t the masses coming across the border illegally be properly called an invasion?
Rather migration.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
There are people all over this planet that go from one country to an other without paper according to the law it is not ok to do so, but they are human beings and should be treated as humans not as animals. Even they do wrong yes they should be given a form of punishment, but not the way Trump want to. And i do not support that they split kids and parents.

As i said before i see humans as humans and treat them the same. I dont care where they are from or what color their skin is.


This is why. IMHO, you have so much trouble answering a simple question. You are either a law breaker or you're not. If you break the law, you need to face the consequences; doesn't matter if you empathize with them or not.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This is why. IMHO, you have so much trouble answering a simple question. You are either a law breaker or you're not. If you break the law, you need to face the consequences; doesn't matter if you empathize with them or not.
Yes if we brake the law there will be punishment. but in the same time i have compassion for all those people who run from their country in hope of getting a new life. Paper or no paper they do need help
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
This is why. IMHO, you have so much trouble answering a simple question. You are either a law breaker or you're not. If you break the law, you need to face the consequences; doesn't matter if you empathize with them or not.
So being a refugee or an asylum seeker is against the law now?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Depends on how one may define "invasion", plus the context it may be used in.

For example, when Jews tried to flee fascist-controlled Europe, would you call that an "invasion"? How about when Europeans invaded the Americas?

"Invasions" are as old as the hills as human populations have always been mobile from time to time, and the boundaries that demarcate countries are entirely artificial and flexible. .What we are seeing at our southern border is not really that unusual, but how we may or may not handle this can be quite telling as to what kind of people we are. Remember the ship the St. Louis?
Nicely done. It depends on ones perspective!
 
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