All Men are Created Equal

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Altfish said:
'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'

George Orwell, Animal Farm

thank you.....I have read that item

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Augustus said:
Of course they are not, it is one of the most patently untrue things imaginable. Nature has no concern for equality or inalienable rights.

It is a metaphorical truth though, something which is not factually true yet benefits us to act as if it were true. Most religious and ideological tenets fall into this category.

Human society requires tacit acceptance of numerous metaphorical truths in order to function effectively.

I can agree

I posted to point out the obvious
no two people are the same
and some of us …..are far less
some of us....far more

for example.....I do not work among my peers
we are all called toolmakers
BUT
most of the crew are shamelessly lazy
uneducated
and self righteous......oh yeah

and yes I realize......I am only human

if the shop was dealt to skill and proportioned wage...…
most of the crew would be broke in no time

but the company turns a blind eye......why?

the propaganda of equality

that complaint is only ONE SMALL aspect of human variables

qaz · Jun 4, 2019

Augustus said:
Only in the sense that laws are lies, constitutions are lies, contracts are lies, and whatever ideological beliefs you hold are lies (and, of course, delusions).

so it appers this discussion will end with you still not being able to tell the difference between an abstraction, whose content (unlike its very existence) is not per se liable to the category of truth, like a law, a contract or even an ideology, and a falsification of a (indeed falsifiable) reality : that men are not born equal. it really tried to make you understand it, but i have to admit i failed.

It's a description of basic human cognition, not an 'avoidable sociological theory'.

The brain evolved for survival (as part of a group), not the dispassionate and value free contemplation of objective truth. Everything from our vision to how we form complex, modern societies relies on some degree of 'irrationality and delusion' in the sense of it not being 'objectively true'.

It is pretty naive to consider acting on anything that doesn't accurately reflect an objective reality to be 'irrational and delusional' though.

here it is another basic logical fallacy, . the fact that until now human societies developed a certain number of delusions to survive doesn't mean that without delusions human societies can't survive. it's called affirming thr consequent ("if it will be sunny ill go to fish" =/= "if go to fish, it is sunny")

Good to see ad hom isn't the only term you can't use properly.

A: "equal rights advantage mediocre individuals"
B: "you took advantage from equal rights"
IS an ad hominem, cope.

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

now if there was just some way of coping with people who DO
take advantage of the system.....

oh.....poor poor pitiful me

you owe me cause I am less
or different
or politically correct

sorry

but I can't help but notice the baggage we bear

has anyone seen youtube lately?

note......People are Amazing

compare anything else

Quintessence · Jun 4, 2019

What about women and intersexed humans? Should a little more than half of the human population rejoice because only men are not created equal?

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Quintessence said:
What about women and intersexed humans? Should a little more than half of the human population rejoice because only men are not created equal?

I do think of my spouse as my equal

and sometimes.....my better half

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

and among the black belts in the school I trained in.....
Julie was truly a kickass

Curious George · Jun 4, 2019

Augustus said:
Of course they are not, it is one of the most patently untrue things imaginable. Nature has no concern for equality or inalienable rights.

It is a metaphorical truth though, something which is not factually true yet benefits us to act as if it were true. Most religious and ideological tenets fall into this category.

Human society requires tacit acceptance of numerous metaphorical truths in order to function effectively.

You believe some humans have more worth than others? By what standard do you judge and why is that standard correct?

@Thief as well.

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Curious George said:
You believe some humans have more worth than others? By what standard do you judge and why is that standard correct?

@Thief as well.

multiple levels.....

for example......entry into heaven is guarded
not all enter

if you do so.....it's because you belong there

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Anna Vidovic…..Asturias

MORE than average

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Alexandr Misko…...Take On Me

beyond skilled

Curious George · Jun 4, 2019

Thief said:
multiple levels.....

for example......entry into heaven is guarded
not all enter

if you do so.....it's because you belong there

That doesn't really answer my question.

I will assume you believe that some category of humans is worth more than some other category of humans. By what standard do you judge this?

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

but can you.....

Curious George said:
That doesn't really answer my question.

I will assume you believe that some category of humans is worth more than some other category of humans. By what standard do you judge this?

the same line you questioned

in the mean time.....
I believe we are here to learn all that we can before we die
I endeavor

how about you?

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

we have all seen film of monkeys the snatch/grab/run away.....

ever see a human do such a thing?

Curious George · Jun 4, 2019

Thief said:
but can you.....

the same line you questioned

in the mean time.....
I believe we are here to learn all that we can before we die
I endeavor

how about you?

The same line I questioned? This makes no sense.

You suggested that we were in no way created equal. This then means that one baby has more value than another baby. We are talking about at the point of creation. Please explain by what standard you are judging.

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Curious George said:
The same line I questioned? This makes no sense.

You suggested that we were in no way created equal. This then means that one baby has more value than another baby. We are talking about at the point of creation. Please explain by what standard you are judging.

why choose of mediocrity?
when the very best is at hand to choose from?

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

I see....as we stand among.....and against.....each other

the question of equality arises
over and over

politics is like a bandage
a crutch
it crimples those who lean upon it

say of yourself equality
as you witness another's performance greater than your own

and you don't feel the sting of humility?

Willamena · Jun 4, 2019

Thief said:
NOT

look around you

It's not literally true. It's a statement on how we treat each other.

Thief · Jun 4, 2019

Willamena said:
It's not literally true. It's a statement on how we treat each other.

and I would be fine with that.....
if only we did

still …..the book of Job strikes a chord of imbalance

and it trickles into this life like a flood

Curious George · Jun 4, 2019

Thief said:
why choose of mediocrity?
when the very best is at hand to choose from?

I am asking by what standard do you believe one human is more valuable than another?

All Men are Created Equal

draw a line

yes we are...it's politically correct...politics rules

politics are a lie.....

God di it all wrong

God did it right....we can't deal with it

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