Spartan
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That's a change to your claim that chapter 16 is entirely non-existent.
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Lies and Phony Caricatures of Christianity
- Thread starter usfan
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That's a change to your claim that chapter 16 is entirely non-existent.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
As in fights with your spouse or significant other, it's best in these discussions to avoid words like "always" and "never. "
I don't know anyone who's always deceptive.
Well, I've been on Internet forums for some 10 years or more and have found that Christians ARE always deceptive.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Flush.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I would not say all. The vast majority, yes. But there are actual honest Christians on the interwebs.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I knew a guy who set out to be the best theologian, keeping in mind apologetics and philosophy. He became an atheist upon finishing all his studies.
So have I, and I guess you're talking to the wrong ones? My mother is a Christian, and sometimes I think she's too honest.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Not when it comes to facing the falseness of their mythology. They will ALL use every bit of deception they can think of to cling to the lies they've been brainwashed to believe in.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You might be surprised. You should try to get to know some of the members of this forums. The problem is that those that follow the myths of the Bible without question are very very vocal in their beliefs. It can be misleading.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
DO you have evidence Jesus is a myth?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, the Gospels.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Pilate, the Roman official, did not find Jesus guilty for the charges, so he was of the view that Jesus was innocent and his wife also saw the dream and told his husband. Pilate managed to arrange things in a way that Jesus is delivered from the Cross while he is still alive.
All these clues are there in the Bible. Right, please?
Regards
sooda
Veteran Member
I have seen that happen too.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is the Bible narrative. You now appear to be cherry picking which parts of the Bible that you believe. Are there any reliable sources that support that claim?
Frankly, the very lack of evidence for the highly dramatic events described in the Gospels is evidence enough that the legends of the Christ were invented afterwards. Although I have little doubt that a Jesus was executed for treason against Rome around 30CE. That sort of thing happened all the time and wasn't remarkable.
Tom
usfan
Well-Known Member
..yet they do. And use some outlier crackpot to smear all of Christianity, when there is nothing in Christian ideology to support such a position.
1. I don't claim perfection. I claim accuracy and historical validity. People can believe whatever they want..
2. Probing and evidencing 'errors!', or 'changes!' is the job of the accusers. How can i rebut or examine a baseless assertion?
No, accusations should be evidenced by the accusers, not merely repeated loudly like a propaganda meme.
1. Lack of corroborating evidence does NOT equal 'conflicting' evidence.
2. False. This is just a theory, with no hard evidence. It is a prejudicial smear, with no basis.
So you believe and assert, without evidence.
Defending against lies and smears is 'deceptive?' You carry the burden of proof for your accusations. You have no evidence that anything i have posted is a lie. That is just a false accusation, to demean your ideological enemies.
Broad brushes do not paint good detail..
really? Goebbels would be proud...
you really have a hard on against Christianity..You're kind of proving my points, here, of the irrational hatred and bigotry against Christianity..
The gospels are 'proof!' of error?
Reason and due process seem lost, when dealing with irrational enemies of Christianity. The overt bigotry and prejudice always amazes me..
/shakes head/
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The question was what is the evidence that Jesus is a myth. I correctly responded the Gospels. Is the mythical nature of the Bible evidence of "error"? Then we only need to state the blatantly obvious, Genesis alone is enough to demonstrate tons of "error" in the Bible...yet they do. And use some outlier crackpot to smear all of Christianity, when there is nothing in Christian ideology to support such a position.
1. I don't claim perfection. I claim accuracy and historical validity. People can believe whatever they want..
2. Probing and evidencing 'errors!', or 'changes!' is the job of the accusers. How can i rebut or examine a baseless assertion?
No, accusations should be evidenced by the accusers, not merely repeated loudly like a propaganda meme.
1. Lack of corroborating evidence does NOT equal 'conflicting' evidence.
2. False. This is just a theory, with no hard evidence. It is a prejudicial smear, with no basis.
So you believe and assert, without evidence.
Defending against lies and smears is 'deceptive?' You carry the burden of proof for your accusations. You have no evidence that anything i have posted is a lie. That is just a false accusation, to demean your ideological enemies.
Broad brushes do not paint good detail..
really? Goebbels would be proud...
You're kind of proving my points, here, of the irrational hatred and bigotry against Christianity..
The gospels are 'proof!' of error?
Reason and due process seem lost, when dealing with irrational enemies of Christianity. The overt bigotry and prejudice always amazes me..
/shakes head/
Perhaps your problem is that you did not properly define your terms.
sooda
Veteran Member
Nope.. Its based on thousands of cuneiform tablets found in Sumer, Ras Shamra and Dilmun that are a thousand years older than Genesis.
sooda
Veteran Member
Your clown couldn't pass Geology 101. He's ridiculous.
usfan
Well-Known Member
'Mythical nature?' That is just a label to smear the validity and historicity of the nt manuscripts.
Tell me, what is 'mythical!', about this preface from Luke?
Luke 1:1Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
This sounds like a carefully reasearched account, not a 'Mythical nature!' fantasy.
It is mere prejudice or dismissal, not anything evidenced by facts, to paint the nt manuscripts as, 'Fantasy! Myth! 'Changed!' 'Error!' You can believe that, if you wish, but that is not the historical view, nor is there any evidence for it.
There is no evidence for any of these false accusations.
usfan
Well-Known Member
Since you are prejudicially biased against Dr Wilson, here are others for you to poison the well:
"Through the wealth of data uncovered by historical and archaeological research, we are able to measure the Bible's historical accuracy. In every case where its claims can thus be tested, the Bible proves to be accurate and reliable." - Dr. Jack Cottrell
"In every instance where the findings of archaeology pertain to the Biblical record, the archaeological evidence confirms, sometimes in detailed fashion, the historical accuracy of Scripture. In those instances where the archaeological findings seem to be at variance with the Bible, the discrepancy lies with the archaeological evidence, i.e., improper interpretation, lack of evidence, etc. -- not with the Bible." - Dr. Bryant C. Wood, archaeologist
"It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical description has often led to amazing discoveries." - Dr. Nelson Glueck
"The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural." - Professor Millar Burrows (Professor of Archaeology at Yale University)
Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of facts trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic sense...In short this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." - Sir William Ramsey (archaeologist)
Assertions, belief, and fallacies are not evidence..