Frank Goad
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In 1 Samuel 9:9 it says God's people just to be called seers.But in Isaiah 29:10.It says people that weren't listening to God were seers.Why?.
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In 1 Samuel 9:9 it says God's people just to be called seers.But in Isaiah 29:10.It says people that weren't listening to God were seers.Why?.
Different Hebrew words used.To me it sounds like it is talking about people who were psychic with God.And people who were psychic without God.
Different Hebrew words used.
1 Samuel 9:9 Lexicon: (Formerly in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, he used to say, "Come, and let us go to the seer"; for he who is called a prophet now was formerly called a seer.)
Isaiah 29:10 Lexicon: For the LORD has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets; And He has covered your heads, the seers.
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Why do you want to ignore the lexicon?What is your take on both bible quotes?Just by reading them back to back?Without the Lexicon?
Why do you want to ignore the lexicon?
Different Hebrew words used.
1 Samuel 9:9 Lexicon: (Formerly in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, he used to say, "Come, and let us go to the seer"; for he who is called a prophet now was formerly called a seer.)
Isaiah 29:10 Lexicon: For the LORD has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets; And He has covered your heads, the seers.
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Leov is 100% correct. Since the two verses do not use the same words in Hebrew, they do not contradict each other.It wanted a second opinion.About the verses.Based on the verses alone.
Actually, "seers" were the prophets of that time who spoke on behalf of God.In 1 Samuel 9:9 it says God's people just to be called seers.But in Isaiah 29:10.It says people that weren't listening to God were seers.Why?.
In 1 Samuel 9:9 it says God's people just to be called seers.But in Isaiah 29:10.It says people that weren't listening to God were seers.Why?.
ancient people were able to connect to spirit world much easier than today. Many had eye opened, many believed in their abilities, no atheist folk.What is your take on both bible quotes?Just by reading them back to back?Without the Lexicon?
What is your take on both bible quotes?Just by reading them back to back?Without the Lexicon?
ancient people were able to connect to spirit world much easier than today. Many had eye opened, many believed in their abilities, no atheist folk.
Why do you say so?There was no "spirit world" now or then.
Why do you say so?
I have experience with what I call reality of spiritual world, so, I do not agree, modern people on average are much less sensitive than ancient, even those who followed shamans had their own experience too.Shaman's and witch doctors have always promoted the "spirits" or even identification with animal totems... so a person might be cunning as a fox or brave as a bear. I think such rituals serve to soothe and calm or encourage people.
I have experience with what I call reality of spiritual world, so, I do not agree, modern people on average are much less sensitive than ancient, even those who followed shamans had their own experience too.
Different types of seers/prophets. The prophets/seers of God are commissioned by God Himself and sent to the people to proclaim the truth. But the prophets/seers that are appointed by other people or just assume that title themselves are not necessarily true prophets/seers.In 1 Samuel 9:9 it says God's people just to be called seers.But in Isaiah 29:10.It says people that weren't listening to God were seers.Why?.
Didn't know whether to give you a Like, an Informative, or a Winner on this. But that is just such a nice, concise statement of obvious fact it has to be recognized somehow.Two works written by two different people with different views, included in a single anthology by an ecumenical council at some point.
This shouldn't be any surprise. The Bible's not the work of a single author. It's full of contradictions.