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Zechariah.

Ellen Brown

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Zechariah 14:6-8 King James Version (KJV)

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm interested in what you would like to discuss, Ellen.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I'm interested in what you would like to discuss, Ellen.

Thank you. I will just put my Archeologist hat on then.

I think, from memory, that Evangelical Christians see this as talking about after the 'return' of the Messiah. My curiosity about this passage was kindled by a YouTube video that was on the 12th planet. OK then.

From my own point of view, I am very sure that there was considerable history with the Creator way before the Jews began to talk about and record things. Though I don't know much, I've read that the Sumerians had a long pre-Judaistic history. There is considerable divergence of opinion on this site and I was hoping to get the opinions of some of those folk.

In retrospect, I am not at all sure I got this in the right Forum. :)
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Thank you. I will just put my Archeologist hat on then.

I think, from memory, that Evangelical Christians see this as talking about after the 'return' of the Messiah. My curiosity about this passage was kindled by a YouTube video that was on the 12th planet. OK then.

From my own point of view, I am very sure that there was considerable history with the Creator way before the Jews began to talk about and record things. Though I don't know much, I've read that the Sumerians had a long pre-Judaistic history. There is considerable divergence of opinion on this site and I was hoping to get the opinions of some of those folk.

In retrospect, I am not at all sure I got this in the right Forum. :)


Zechariah means God remembers and much of the images are drawn from aspects of the temple.
I lean toward the return of Christ myself and i don't think it has anything to do with Sumerians. I do think Jesus is the man called Branch

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zechariah: A Dreamscape Pointing to a Man Called Branch
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dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
Thank you. I will just put my Archeologist hat on then.

I think, from memory, that Evangelical Christians see this as talking about after the 'return' of the Messiah. My curiosity about this passage was kindled by a YouTube video that was on the 12th planet. OK then.

From my own point of view, I am very sure that there was considerable history with the Creator way before the Jews began to talk about and record things. Though I don't know much, I've read that the Sumerians had a long pre-Judaistic history. There is considerable divergence of opinion on this site and I was hoping to get the opinions of some of those folk.

In retrospect, I am not at all sure I got this in the right Forum. :)
IMO There has been interest in the Divine as long as there have been humans. The problem is finding the evidence.

Oral traditions are sometimes recorded, i.e. Homer, Gilgemesh. And sometimes they don't, i.e. Native American, Aboriginal. And other times they're conflated, such as Hinduism
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
It's been a long time... I think there is a place where Israel is put into an underground cave and protected until all the battles of Armageddon are finished. In one place it says that if the Lord had not intervened, all of mankind would perish.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
IMO There has been interest in the Divine as long as there have been humans. The problem is finding the evidence.

Oral traditions are sometimes recorded, i.e. Homer, Gilgemesh. And sometimes they don't, i.e. Native American, Aboriginal. And other times they're conflated, such as Hinduism

I've been studying Native American, Navajo beliefs. I find it fascinating.
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
You're worried about the world destroying itself and seeking wisdom from a "simpler" time?
Are you finding any comfort in what you have found?

In TS Elliot's The Hollow Men, he talks about the destruction of individuals and nations affected by WWI. The end of the poem has the famous line "This is the way the world ends, Not with a bang but with a wimper." My vote goes for poisoning by polution. None of the previous civilizations had to deal with that.

Or am I way off base?
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
You're worried about the world destroying itself and seeking wisdom from a "simpler" time?
Are you finding any comfort in what you have found?

In TS Elliot's The Hollow Men, he talks about the destruction of individuals and nations affected by WWI. The end of the poem has the famous line "This is the way the world ends, Not with a bang but with a wimper." My vote goes for poisoning by polution. None of the previous civilizations had to deal with that.

Or am I way off base?

Yeah, you are off base. I am not worried at all. Just found it interesting.
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
Ok, Gilgemesh is a Sumerian king whose best friend dies. He goes on a quest to obtain an elixir to bring his friend back to life.
It's an epic adventure.
He finally succeeds in his quest. But on the way back, he falls into a river and a snake devours the elixir.
He's OK with that.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Zechariah means God remembers and much of the images are drawn from aspects of the temple.
I lean toward the return of Christ myself and i don't think it has anything to do with Sumerians. I do think Jesus is the man called Branch

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zechariah: A Dreamscape Pointing to a Man Called Branch
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Zechariah 14 Fulfilled in the Maccabean Wars: A Preterist ...
All Prophecies Fulfilled! | 817-793-9461 | Preterist Bible Commentaryzechariah-14-fulfilled-in-the-maccabean-wars-a...
Zechariah 14 Fulfilled–including the splitting of the Mount of Olives: Summary and Highlights. In the following preterist commentary, Zechariah 14 is shown to have been fulfilled during the Maccabean Wars–including the fact that the Mount of Olives was literally split in two. The Maccabean Wars began when the Seleucids captured Jerusalem, plundered the city and its temple, killed many people, and …
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Verses 6,7,8... quite beautiful and hopeful IMHO. When i read these verses they are part of a set of 9 verses starting with 14:1 and concluding with 14:9.

Verse 8 "living waters" always reminds me of complete purification which leads into verse 9 ( rough translation ) "God will be one and God's name will be one".

The theme of all 9 verses taken together: It won't be pretty, but it will happen. All of our mistakes, destruction, and chaos will be washed away. Everyone will see and recognize it.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Something else I think is interesting about these verses. What is the length of time between the "day" in verses 6,7,8 and the result in verse 9?

The events of verses 6,7,8 all happen on the same day? But verse 8 says, "in summer and winter..." So some time passes before the result in verse 9? At least 6 months?
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Zechariah 14 Fulfilled in the Maccabean Wars: A Preterist ...
All Prophecies Fulfilled! | 817-793-9461 | Preterist Bible Commentaryzechariah-14-fulfilled-in-the-maccabean-wars-a...
Zechariah 14 Fulfilled–including the splitting of the Mount of Olives: Summary and Highlights. In the following preterist commentary, Zechariah 14 is shown to have been fulfilled during the Maccabean Wars–including the fact that the Mount of Olives was literally split in two. The Maccabean Wars began when the Seleucids captured Jerusalem, plundered the city and its temple, killed many people, and …


There are many cases where there can be a partial near term fulfillment and a later more lasting fulfillment in the church and/or in Christ You could also say in the days of Esther the nations were arrayed against Israel in a sense since the Babylonian empire was where all Jews lived and if Haman had his way they would all be wiped out.

I don't see how the Maccabees may have fullfilled the following:

"... On that day nliving waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to othe eastern sea4 and half of them to othe western sea. 5 It shall continue in summer as in winter.
the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the Lord will be sone and this name one. The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem....
 

sooda

Veteran Member
There are many cases where there can be a partial near term fulfillment and a later more lasting fulfillment in the church and/or in Christ You could also say in the days of Esther the nations were arrayed against Israel in a sense since the Babylonian empire was where all Jews lived and if Haman had his way they would all be wiped out.

I don't see how the Maccabees may have fullfilled the following:

"... On that day nliving waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to othe eastern sea4 and half of them to othe western sea. 5 It shall continue in summer as in winter.
the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the Lord will be sone and this name one. The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem....


Zechariah 14 Fulfilled in the Maccabean Wars: A Preterist ...
Zechariah 14 Fulfilled in the Maccabean Wars: A Preterist Commentary - Revelation Revolutionmaccabean-wars-a...
Zechariah 14 Fulfilled–including the splitting of the Mount of Olives : Summary and Highlights In the following preterist commentary, Zechariah 14 is shown to have been fulfilled during the Maccabean Wars–including the fact that the Mount of Olives was literally split in two.

The book of Esther is a secularized Elamite myth of Ishtar (Esther) and her consort Marduk (Mordecai), who sacrificed to the god Hammon, or Amon (Haman). Yahweh was never mentioned, because the Jews of Elam worshipped Marduk, not Yahweh.
 
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