The Baha'i Qiblah maybe, but the Muslim Qiblah has already been fixed and it is elsewhere.
I don't see peace in the Holy Land.
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World Peace and Religion
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The Baha'i Qiblah maybe, but the Muslim Qiblah has already been fixed and it is elsewhere.
I don't see peace in the Holy Land.
That is indeed correct.
Baha'u'llah means ' Glory of God'.
That Glory is 'Christ', 'Annointed One'.
Regards Tony
Allah doeth as He willeth.
I have been to the Holy Land twice now, no greater peace can be found, IMHO.
I see everything is bringing about the 'Most Great Peace', a lesser peace the next goal.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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Okay.
So you believe that Yeshua is going to return in the same physical body?
Who do you believe is the Antichrist?
If you are reading from the same Qur'an why should your beliefs be that different from other Muslims?
Yes, I know that He did not write it. I meant to ask the Qur'an says about Muhammad.
Yes, that is who I believe he was.
Yes, that is what I believe.
But why don't you think that the Attributes of God can be manifested in a Messenger of God?
I agree that no human can be as merciful as God is, but humans can still be merciful.
How do you think God's Attribute of Merciful is different from the human attribute of merciful?
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Trailblazer
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So you believe what Baha'is believe about the Baha'i Faith.
That is the phrase I was remembering. That must be in the Qur'an, which you believe is the Word of God, right?
Do you mean after the big catastrophe, those who are left alive?
So you believe what Baha'is believe about the Baha'i Faith.
Trailblazer
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So I guess Muslims are like Christians who believe all people should become Christians.
Baha'is believe all people will become Baha'is but not that they should. Do you understand the difference?
So what about no compulsion in religion?
Trailblazer
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Because by rejecting the Covenant, those Covenant-breakers are not adhering to what Baha'u'llah wanted them to do; they are not following Baha'u'llah so they are not really Baha'is.
Since Unity is the keynote of the Bahai Faith, having several sects, each doing their own thing, goes against what Baha'u'llah intended for His religion.
Trailblazer
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I did not say I do not care about the future, only that there is no point thinking about the future since we cannot do anything about it till it is here.
I live fully IN today and I do whatever I can right NOW to try to make the world better for myself and others.
In my opinion, I think the most important thing I can do is proclaim that Baha'u'llah has come and teach to those who are interested. Forums are the most efficient way to accomplish that.
The Baha'is ARE doing a lot of these things, but there are only so many of us, so we have to consider what the priorities are. The Old World Order is crumbling so there is no point trying to fix it... It makes more sense to work on building up the New World Order...
Climate change is another matter and lots of Baha'is work on that....
» Climate Change | U.S. Baha'i Office of Public Affairs
Ponder This
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I see instances where religion divides and instances where religion unites (a couple examples in my opening post).
And it seems to me that the 'truth' of religion might not be what divides people as people can always deny or accept the 'truth' anyways.
I can accept that perhaps people will always find something to disagree about (as a consequence of their individuality).
So perhaps World Peace is not worth it... if the consequence is the annihilation of individuality (the death of Free Will).
And so I continue to wait for Yeshua (pbuh) to return.
Tell that to the Palestinians.
I just said that I believe he will return in another physical body.
Well he hasn't appeared yet, so how do I know.
It's all about interpretation.
Because the Attributes of God are too Sublime to be manifested in a simple human being.
God's Mercy is beyond human comprehension. Human mercy is comprehensible.
So you believe what Baha'is believe about the Baha'i Faith.
That's right.
Right.
I don't know about a big catastrophe. Maybe there will be one, maybe there won't.
I believe all people should become Muslims now, because Islam is the best religion, the best path for all people to follow. There will be a time in the future when all people on Earth at that time will become Muslims. So I believe people should and will (eventually) become Muslims.
So what about no compulsion in religion?
That all people should become Muslims doesn't mean they should be forced to become Muslims. It's a free choice.
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Ah well.
Trailblazer
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I do not think we have to give up our individuality in order to have harmony.
I believe that humanity is like a beautiful garden full of different flowers. As Abdu’l-Baha said each person is like a flower that has a peculiar beauty and a beautiful color. Yet all these flowers spring from the same earth. The same sun shines upon them and the same clouds give them rain.
So the differences in the human family should be the cause of love and harmony, not of hate and discord.
All people are seeking the truth and many roads lead to truth. Truth has many aspects but it is forever one.
I do not allow differences of opinion, or diversity of thought to separate me from others, or to cause hatred or strife in my heart. I rather seek diligently to make all people my friends. We are all flowers of one garden, waves of one sea. But that does not mean we all have to agree.
BEAUTY AND HARMONY IN DIVERSITY
Trailblazer
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You said "He will establish justice and fight with Yeshua (pbuh) against the Antichrist."
So you believe that Jesus and the Messiah are two different people who will work together?
Why do you believe in an Antichrist?
Ain't that the truth.
That is true, but some of them like mercy can be partially manifested.
That is what I meant by partially manifested. Baha'u'llah wrote that God is above all His Attributes, meaning we cannot understand what we have attributed to God.
Trailblazer
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So you don't know a whole lot more than we Baha'is know.
Trailblazer
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Just replace the word Muslims with Baha'is and that will explain what I believe.
But maybe we can agree that whatever happens will be the Will of God.
Also, there is no way we can know what will happen in the future because we will be in the afterlife by then.
CG Didymus
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Then who is the child? Who does it fit? Christians bend it to fit by making Jesus come back and fulfill the prophecies. Baha'u'llah doesn't have the government on his shoulders either. So too much of this prophecy fulfilling stuff only works for the believers. They take part of a verse and say, "See, this is clearing talking about our guy." But, the whole verse in context is not. Like Jesus in Isaiah 7:14-15.
The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.
Baha'is do it with many things in the Bible. One Baha'i said that the Bab is the Lamb that was slain in Revelation,. But when was the Bab ever referred to as the Lamb? Christians twist them. Baha'is twist them. And each believes their interpretation is right. But both are taking them out of context.