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Proof is only relevant to mathematics, logic, and alcohol.
It does? Boy I sure don't think so.
And when they don't follow them they are immoral.
And so much for religion being the reigning source of morality.
If you had read some of my previous posts in this thread it shouldn't be unbelievable at all.
This whole thing is rather difficult for you, isn't it. Here's hoping it improves.
I thought I explained it thoroughly.
I'll add to what I said above in post #169
A couple of reasons as to why.
1. I was young and drugs were readily available. Part of my abuse was being forced to distribute drugs. If I didn't bring home the "correct" amount of money that was expected a beating would occur. So I learned to hustle the hustlers and game the system to provide the required money needed, but also some profit to "buy" drugs from myself. I'll plead the 5th for further information on hustling.
2. When you live in a world of constant fear mental abuse is the norm, physical abuse for mistakes, and sexual abuse when its deemed necessary (not to be graphic, but my 5 year old booty was traded to a 40 year old man in exchange for drugs.) But also I was abused by a female "babysitter" who was in charge of me after school. She would perform fellatio on me, which I blocked out for years and didn't discover until therapy. But anyways, when this is your entire world and you know nothing else, rationality is not your go to mindset. You are in survival mode and one does what one must to survive by any means possible in this type of situation. I've been forced to break people or be broken myself. Do you know what that you can feel someone's bones break when you smash them with a baseball bat? Eventually you begin to crave that sickening thud and crunch. It still sends raises the hair on my arms in excitement to even think about it. That's the mindset you learn to live in to survive. Drugs was an easy "out".
Everybody deals with it different. Some people go on to recreate the abuse in others. Luckily I didn't fall into this category. And unless provoked I am quite nice and bit of a pushover.but provoke me and I will unleash hell.
I've done tons of therapy and anger management. I use what I can to help me. But at the end of the day it's all about me controlling myself and keep my anger in check. Difficult path to walk because sometimes you truly are wronged and I either fly of the handle with too much, or i just pack it down and bottle it up. Neither are good for me. Must constantly manage, manage, manage.
I like you and your honesty. You're cool.
No, I am a cat person.
See my avatar?
We have 10 Persian cats.
My husband just signed up on this forum tonight and he also has a cat for an avatar...
You can see where our sentiments lie -- on sofas, chairs, and beds, wherever cats are present.
I see no reason why prisoners should be punished (subjected to pain and suffering) while in prison because being in prison is the punishment for the crimes. It makes no sense to me that more punishment would give a positive result, not anymore than mistreating an animal would give a positive result.Yes and those are good methods for behaviour change. Punishment is the worst kind of behavioural change. So, treating animals with care and love(positive reinforcement) if they behave badly or were abused works even though they don't have free-will. Hurting an abused and badly behaved pet would probably cause more problems.
For arguments sake, let's say humans have free-will. If prisoners were punished(pain and suffering) instead of treated with care and positive reinforcement, then this should be an effect way to change them, because they do have free-will and they had a choice to do otherwise. Therefore, they would learn to choose the alternate choice. This is kind of treatment is called punitive justice. However, this is not what we find. We find prisoners that are treated humanely, with care, and given rehabilitation priority(positive reinforcement) have the least recidivism rates in the world. Just like abused pets and badly behaved pets, criminals usually have had traumatic childhoods with abusive and/or neglectful parents.
So, even though, apparently, one has free-will and the other doesn't, the same method works on both
You cannot blame the religion for what people choose to do or not do with the religion.
I meant that figuratively, not literally.
It is not difficult for me at all. The improvements have already taken place.
I like you and your honesty. You're cool.
That all depends upon how you define free will and soul.
Most people so not have a clue so there is no point even talking to them about it.
As a child?
So, you adapted your standards to what worked and what didn't. And that was dependant on?
Seems like you couldn't go back even if you wanted to choose to
I find it humorous how people think they are the absolute ruler of their will. When, in fact, psychology and psycho-analyses demonstrably shows how we're all prone to the same cognition and desires. I personally know people who say they're in control of their emotions and will, however, under close examination, they're not even close. The people who claim control are probably the most influenced by their desires. They just don't realise it.
That's the point. You choose sth over sth else. You can eat both. How you act varies on decisions.
I think that's a healthy view of free-will
What a wonderful and heartfelt story. Thank you. I understand the need and want for justice can be powerful. And I think this is why justice is blind. Anyway, yes, compassion is important to me
Are you immune to the influences of others or your own unconscious desires that you may not realise?
Thank you trail. I actually wrote a 30 page paper in college on an old royal typewriter on exactly this topic . A philosophical question old as the day is long, I wrote it from inside Christianity between Calvinists and methodists. Zero atheists involved. Both "believed" their view was correct, and I wrote both can be seen as correct. I wasn't sure why that was true at the time due to my limited understanding. I was just a kid in a crazy world.That is what it is, I could not have said it better..... I love it, I just love it.
This just reminded me of why I like RF so much...
that sth is our opinion. we form freely our opinion.