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Civilization origins, the horse and the plague

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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This thread is based on recent research into the origins of civilization, the domestication of the horse, and the plague.

First the domestication of the horse:

The earliest domestication of the horse is in the Botai culture, known as the Yamnaya, in about 3500 BCE. They had no sheep or cattle only horses. Some sources date it back to 6000-5500 BCE.

From: Mystery of the domestication of the horse solved

New research indicates that domestic horses originated in the steppes of modern-day Ukraine, southwest Russia and west Kazakhstan, mixing with local wild stocks as they spread throughout Europe and Asia. The research was published yesterday, 07 May, in the journal PNAS.

For several decades scientists puzzled over the origin of domesticated horses. Based on archaeological evidence, it had long been thought that horse domestication originated in the western part of the Eurasian Steppe (Ukraine, southwest Russia and west Kazakhstan); however, a single origin in a geographically restricted area appeared at odds with the large number of female lineages in the domestic horse gene pool, commonly thought to reflect multiple domestication “events” across a wide geographic area.

In order to solve the perplexing history of the domestic horse, scientists from the University of Cambridge used a genetic database of more than 300 horses sampled from across the Eurasian Steppe to run a number of different modelling scenarios.

Their research shows that the extinct wild ancestor of domestic horses, Equus ferus, expanded out of East Asia approximately 160,000 years ago. They were also able to demonstrate that Equus ferus was domesticated in the western Eurasian Steppe, and that herds were repeatedly restocked with wild horses as they spread across Eurasia.

Dr Vera Warmuth, from the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology, said: “Our research clearly shows that the original founder population of domestic horses was established in the western Eurasian Steppe, an area where the earliest archaeological evidence for domesticated horses has been found. The spread of horse domestication differed from that of many other domestic animal species, in that spreading herds were augmented with local wild horses on an unprecedented scale. If these restocking events involved mainly wild mares, we can explain the large number of female lineages in the domestic horse gene pool without having to invoke multiple domestication origins.”

The researchers provide the first genetic evidence for a geographically restricted domestication origin in the Eurasian Steppe, as suggested by archaeology, and show that the tremendous female diversity is the result of later introductions of local wild mares into domestic herds, thus reconciling evidence which had previously given rise to conflicting scenarios.

More to follow . . .
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
This thread is based on recent research into the origins of civilization, the domestication of the horse, and the plague.

First the domestication of the horse:

The earliest domestication of the horse is in the Botai culture in about 3500 BCE. They had o sheep or cattle only horses.

From: Mystery of the domestication of the horse solved

New research indicates that domestic horses originated in the steppes of modern-day Ukraine, southwest Russia and west Kazakhstan, mixing with local wild stocks as they spread throughout Europe and Asia. The research was published yesterday, 07 May, in the journal PNAS.

For several decades scientists puzzled over the origin of domesticated horses. Based on archaeological evidence, it had long been thought that horse domestication originated in the western part of the Eurasian Steppe (Ukraine, southwest Russia and west Kazakhstan); however, a single origin in a geographically restricted area appeared at odds with the large number of female lineages in the domestic horse gene pool, commonly thought to reflect multiple domestication “events” across a wide geographic area.

In order to solve the perplexing history of the domestic horse, scientists from the University of Cambridge used a genetic database of more than 300 horses sampled from across the Eurasian Steppe to run a number of different modelling scenarios.

Their research shows that the extinct wild ancestor of domestic horses, Equus ferus, expanded out of East Asia approximately 160,000 years ago. They were also able to demonstrate that Equus ferus was domesticated in the western Eurasian Steppe, and that herds were repeatedly restocked with wild horses as they spread across Eurasia.

Dr Vera Warmuth, from the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology, said: “Our research clearly shows that the original founder population of domestic horses was established in the western Eurasian Steppe, an area where the earliest archaeological evidence for domesticated horses has been found. The spread of horse domestication differed from that of many other domestic animal species, in that spreading herds were augmented with local wild horses on an unprecedented scale. If these restocking events involved mainly wild mares, we can explain the large number of female lineages in the domestic horse gene pool without having to invoke multiple domestication origins.”

The researchers provide the first genetic evidence for a geographically restricted domestication origin in the Eurasian Steppe, as suggested by archaeology, and show that the tremendous female diversity is the result of later introductions of local wild mares into domestic herds, thus reconciling evidence which had previously given rise to conflicting scenarios.

More to follow . . .


Horses domesticated 4,000 years earlier than thought ...
www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/782891
Jul 28, 2015 · RIYADH: Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilization that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought. The discovery has shed new light on the origin of the Arabian horse, which has remained a great zoological mystery.

  • Author: GHAZANFAR ALI KHAN
 

sooda

Veteran Member
This one blew my mind..

Syrian wild *** – Equus Asinus
Preservationsyrian-wild-***
The Syrian wild ***, less commonly known as a hemippe, (Equus hemionus hemippus * ) was a sub-species of the Asiatic wild *** (Equus hemionus) or Persian onager. It had become extinct by 1928. It was only a metre high at the shoulder as can be seen in this photograph, where it can be compared with the size of the onlooker outside the fence.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
This one blew my mind..

Syrian wild *** – Equus Asinus
Preservationsyrian-wild-***
The Syrian wild ***, less commonly known as a hemippe, (Equus hemionus hemippus * ) was a sub-species of the Asiatic wild *** (Equus hemionus) or Persian onager. It had become extinct by 1928. It was only a metre high at the shoulder as can be seen in this photograph, where it can be compared with the size of the onlooker outside the fence.


I go with Genesis (unsurprisingly) where some animals were created domesticated from the beginning

Genesis 2:20 So the man named all the domestic animals, all the birds, and all the wild animals. But the man found no helper who was right for him.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Horses domesticated 4,000 years earlier than thought ...
www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/782891
Jul 28, 2015 · RIYADH: Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilization that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought. The discovery has shed new light on the origin of the Arabian horse, which has remained a great zoological mystery.

  • Author: GHAZANFAR ALI KHAN
This does push back the date of the origin of domestication, and does genetically indicate two places of origin.

Almost All Modern Horses Descended From A Few Oriental Stallions

Combining their MSY data with written records, the researchers concluded that, except for a few Northern European haplotypes, all modern horse breeds included in their study clustered into one 700 year-old haplogroup. This haplogroup includes two major lineages: one that originated from the Arabian lineage from the Arabian Peninsula and the other from the Turkoman horse lineage from the steppes of Central Asia
 

sooda

Veteran Member
This does push back the date of the origin of domestication, and does genetically indicate two places of origin.

Almost All Modern Horses Descended From A Few Oriental Stallions

Combining their MSY data with written records, the researchers concluded that, except for a few Northern European haplotypes, all modern horse breeds included in their study clustered into one 700 year-old haplogroup. This haplogroup includes two major lineages: one that originated from the Arabian lineage from the Arabian Peninsula and the other from the Turkoman horse lineage from the steppes of Central Asia


This is that wild Syrian *** (Onager) that is only recently extinct.

Onager1.JPG
 

Cooky

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Is it possible to domesticate other animals besides dogs, cats and horses?

What exactly does domestication entail anyways? Does it basically mean trainable?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The point of starting out with a discussion of the horse and civilization, and the plague, is the mobility the horse provided, and the advent of horse mounted combat.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Is it possible to domesticate other animals besides dogs, cats and horses?

What exactly does domestication entail anyways? Does it basically mean trainable?

Yes, some other animals are domesticatable, but not as easily. An experimental program working with foxes indicate the possibility of domestication. The empathetic intelligent pack and herd relationship in wolves and horses, makes them more domestactable mimicing that behavior in their relationship with humans.

Cats don't really domesticate well. I believe they simply tolerate human relationships for the benefit.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Horse Domestication Happened Across Eurasia, Study Shows
https://www.history.com/news/horse-domestication-happened-across-eurasia-study-shows
Jan 30, 2012 · A new DNA study suggests that different groups of people independently tamed horses starting 10,000 years ago. A new DNA study suggests that different groups of people independently tamed horses starting 10,000 years ago.

The importance of the Botai domestication of horses is the impact of the horse on civilization across Europe, India and Asia. The foundation subspecies of horse in these regions is the Equus ferus caballus from the Asian steppes of what is no Ukraine.

In the early history of the Arabian horse the subspecies was Equus caballus, possibly related to a descendent of the Equus hemionus hemippus The lineage of the Arabian horse dominated domestic horse in Europe and the Middle East about the time of the Middle Ages. In the early history of domestication the domestication of the Arabian horse was relatively isolated.
 
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Stevicus

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Is it possible to domesticate other animals besides dogs, cats and horses?

What exactly does domestication entail anyways? Does it basically mean trainable?

I was thinking that it's not just the horses who were trained, but also humans learning how to ride them. Some of those stunt riders can be rather amazing.

 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Cows, pigs, goats can all be domesticated I think....

They are also herd animals domesticated for food, though horses were hunted and possibly domesticated for food and milk along with transportation. In China and some places in the world they still eat dogs.

The primary purpose in this thread is domestication of the horse as a working companion that changed humanity and contributed to civilization, and the plagues.
 

sooda

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The point of starting out with a discussion of the horse and civilization, and the plague, is the mobility the horse provided, and the advent of horse mounted combat.

"To do this research, Dr. Wallner and her team sequenced the MSY from 52 individual horses representing 21 breeds and used these polymorphic markers to track stallion geneologies. The study horses included Thoroughbreds, Arabians, Quarter horses, Lipizzaners, Norwegian fjord horses, Icelandic horses, and Trakehners along with a number of other so-called warmblooded horse breeds."

What is a turkoman?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
"To do this research, Dr. Wallner and her team sequenced the MSY from 52 individual horses representing 21 breeds and used these polymorphic markers to track stallion geneologies. The study horses included Thoroughbreds, Arabians, Quarter horses, Lipizzaners, Norwegian fjord horses, Icelandic horses, and Trakehners along with a number of other so-called warmblooded horse breeds."

What is a turkoman?

I already addressed this that from the Middle Ages to the present the dominant genetic source of horses was the Arabian horse mixed with the Asian. The Asiatic domestication of the horse had its primary influence on the development of civilization in European, Asian and Indian horses up until that period.

The Turkoman is a early breed of horse from the Asian source called Akhal-Teke that later was bred with the Arabian horse to produce the Throughbred and other modern horses..
 

sooda

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I already addressed this that from the Middle Ages to the present the dominant genetic source of horses was the Arabian horse mixed with the Asian. The Asiatic domestication of the horse had its primary influence on the development of civilization in European, Asian and Indian horses up until that period.

The Turkoman is a early breed of horse from the Asian source called Akhal-Teke that later was bred with the Arabian horse to produce the Throughbred and other modern horses..

I am very familiar with Arabians and I saw the Lipizzaners perform once. A cousin raises Clydesdales.. I have ridden a few polo ponies, but I had no idea there were so many spectacular breeds.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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I am very familiar with Arabians and I saw the Lipizzaners perform once. A cousin raises Clydesdales.. I have ridden a few polo ponies, but I had no idea there were so many spectacular breeds.

I have seen the Lipizzaners several times. The interesting maneuver when the horse rears and jumps two forward and one to the side is originally a Persian cavalry maneuver that became the movement of the knight in chess.
 

shunyadragon

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The link of horses to civilization is related to advent of mobility warfare leading to large kingdoms instead of individual tribal units. With increased mobility comes the plague.
 
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