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Ancient Reality

sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
cladking said:
This is irrelevant and misinterpreted.

The Pyramid Texts are SO OBVIOUSLY RITUAL that it's hard to believe Egyptology mistook it for incantation. There are dozens of clues I could show to prove the point but you'll ignore the post because it doesn't fit in with any of your beliefs.

It is quite apparent that people who had no beliefs and no superstitions had MORE need of ritual rather than less. They didn't even think in a way we could recognize. Why wouldn't they have ritual? Why would they forget their dead? Why wouldn't they love the dearly departed?

Beliefs are so strong today it interferes with even seeing the argument and the facts/ logic which support it.

Shamans! Right! Some stinky footed scientist announces he don't need no data about infrared signatures to understand the pyramids and everyone laps it up like a dog with spilt milk. The priests of science don't even need experiment any longer because knowing everything has finally been perfected.
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My beliefs?

What is this "stinky footed" thing you keep repeating?
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
cladking said:
You simply choose to ignore what I say. Every single Egyptological assumption is wrong. Ancient people were not moribund, they were not changeless, they did not drag stones on ramps, and the pyramids were not tombs.

All their assumptions are wrong. It's just this simple and you can't even address my arguments.



As I've said many times; there are seven billion different languages and I can converse in a great many of them.



If you understood our language and engineering you'd see there are two major types of pyramids; real pyramids I call "great pyramids" and tiny little piles of rubble that Egyptologists don't want to distinguish from real pyramids.



Secret codes, huh? The builders themselves said they used "cool effervescent columns of water in the two boats tied together". You only believe this is a secret because Egyptologists don't speak English very goodly.



If I'm right this will probably become the name of the species which arose from the dust of the tower of babel.



Your pretending I've presented no evidence is not an argument.



They said exactly what they meant literally. All you have to do is read it. It took me a while to solve each word in context and I might never finish.
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The Tower of Babel story is a metaphor for the collapse of a civilization and loss of literacy.
 
Truly Enlightened

Truly Enlightened

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In politics, there are two people you never vote for. A coward, or a person who is creepy. In an argument, you never argue with a narcissist, or a child. Narcissists will argue endlessly about something they know that they don't know, and will generate whatever semantics is necessary to avoid presenting any actual evidence. This appeases their inflated sense of self-importance and their deep need for attention and admiration. Young children are simply not mentally ready for an open exchange of ideas. Nor do they have an adequate understanding of your logic or your underlying priorities. But at least they have an excuse.

It is best to ignore the guy claiming to be the real Napoleon Bonaparte, than to try to convince him that he isn't. Attention is everything, whether it be a child or a narcissists.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Truly Enlightened said:
In politics, there are two people you never vote for. A coward, or a person who is creepy. In an argument, you never argue with a narcissist, or a child. Narcissists will argue endlessly about something they know that they don't know, and will generate whatever semantics is necessary to avoid presenting any actual evidence. This appeases their inflated sense of self-importance and their deep need for attention and admiration. Young children are simply not mentally ready for an open exchange of ideas. Nor do they have an adequate understanding of your logic or your underlying priorities. But at least they have an excuse.

It is best to ignore the guy claiming to be the real Napoleon Bonaparte, than to try to convince him that he isn't. Attention is everything, whether it be a child or a narcissists.
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Makes sense when you put it that way... So weird....
 
cladking

cladking

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
My beliefs?

What is this "stinky footed" thing you keep repeating?
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Egyptologists translate ancient writing to say that ancient people walked in excrement and urine. One line can be taken to say they even launched them across the sky. They translate their imaginary consciousnesses (Gods) squishing their toes in corpse drippings. Indeed, supposedly their most important Goddess even stank to high heaven.

"If Isis comes in this her evil coming; do not open to her thine arms; that which is said to her is her name (of) "wide of ḥwȝ-t (evil-smelling)."."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/pyt29.htm

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right after they say superstition made them strong and capable they'll talk about their wondrous science, knowledge, and sophistication.

Indeed, we take all ancient people to be sun addled bumpkins who believed God caused towers to fall and people to turn to salt. The Egyptians mustta been a special stripe of sun addled bumpkins called stinky footed bumpkins with all the squishing, walking, and stinkin' they did.

I believe the reality is that ancient people were scientists and metaphysicians and we are the real stinky footed bumpkins. Imagine being made powerful by superstitions and voting on reality by peers! Ancient people didn't wear shoes and wool suits at the pyramids like English Egyptologists did.

Do the math!
 
cladking

cladking

Well-Known Member
The reality may be that they purified themselves and cleaned their ears in seltzer water and natron which are still used today. We make soap out of natron.

788a. To make a libation. To say: Thy water belongs to thee; thine abundance belongs to thee;
788b. the efflux goes forth from the god, the secretion which comes out of Osiris,
788c. so that thy hands may be washed, so that thine ears may be open.
789a. This power is spiritualized by means of its soul.
789b. Wash thyself for thy ka washes itself. Let thy ka be seated,

"Libations" when solved in context are a mixture of natron and water. CO2 (efflux) is released from soda water when combined with natron. The power of the carbonic acid is manifested during the release of the efflux as everything is purified and ears are opened.

Maybe I'm wrong but why is Egyptology judging a whole civilization based on a book of incantation? Even if I'm wrong, so is Egyptology.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
cladking said:
Egyptologists translate ancient writing to say that ancient people walked in excrement and urine. One line can be taken to say they even launched them across the sky. They translate their imaginary consciousnesses (Gods) squishing their toes in corpse drippings. Indeed, supposedly their most important Goddess even stank to high heaven.

"If Isis comes in this her evil coming; do not open to her thine arms; that which is said to her is her name (of) "wide of ḥwȝ-t (evil-smelling)."."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/pyt29.htm

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right after they say superstition made them strong and capable they'll talk about their wondrous science, knowledge, and sophistication.

Indeed, we take all ancient people to be sun addled bumpkins who believed God caused towers to fall and people to turn to salt. The Egyptians mustta been a special stripe of sun addled bumpkins called stinky footed bumpkins with all the squishing, walking, and stinkin' they did.

I believe the reality is that ancient people were scientists and metaphysicians and we are the real stinky footed bumpkins. Imagine being made powerful by superstitions and voting on reality by peers! Ancient people didn't wear shoes and wool suits at the pyramids like English Egyptologists did.

Do the math!
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Ancient Egyptians wore shoes of leather or straw (for children). The sandals made from Camel hide lasted for years and they did smell bad so people soaked them for a week in water in the sun.
 
cladking

cladking

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Ancient Egyptians wore shoes of leather or straw (for children). The sandals made from Camel hide lasted for years and they did smell bad so people soaked them for a week in water in the sun.
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I seriously doubt anything is known about footwear of the pyramid builders but if they had washed them this would seem to indicate they had less stinky feet rather than more stinky. This is beside the point in any case since what they wore is unknown.

There is a word for "footwear" in the Pyramid Texts that Egyptologists translate as "sandals". I have no reason to doubt this translation or that the referent really is footwear. I believe it's the vulgar form of the word "sandals" that appears twice in the PT.

Few people have any idea how little is known about the great pyramid builders. A great deal of what we think we know actually applies only to later Egyptians. Even the Pyramid Texts themselves actually date to a century after the end of the great pyramid building era. What makes the PT so relevant and important is that they were obviously very ancient when they were written down in the tiny little piles of rubble we euphemistically know as "pyramids".

It's really unimportant whether Egyptian or Egyptologist feet stink the most. What is important is that Egyptologists translate the PT such as to make ancient feet very very stinky.

But I have to believe Egyptian feet couldn't hold a candle to the feet of a 19th century shod and wool suit cladded Egyptologist's feet.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
cladking said:
I seriously doubt anything is known about footwear of the pyramid builders but if they had washed them this would seem to indicate they had less stinky feet rather than more stinky. This is beside the point in any case since what they wore is unknown.

There is a word for "footwear" in the Pyramid Texts that Egyptologists translate as "sandals". I have no reason to doubt this translation or that the referent really is footwear. I believe it's the vulgar form of the word "sandals" that appears twice in the PT.

Few people have any idea how little is known about the great pyramid builders. A great deal of what we think we know actually applies only to later Egyptians. Even the Pyramid Texts themselves actually date to a century after the end of the great pyramid building era. What makes the PT so relevant and important is that they were obviously very ancient when they were written down in the tiny little piles of rubble we euphemistically know as "pyramids".

It's really unimportant whether Egyptian or Egyptologist feet stink the most. What is important is that Egyptologists translate the PT such as to make ancient feet very very stinky.

But I have to believe Egyptian feet couldn't hold a candle to the feet of a 19th century shod and wool suit cladded Egyptologist's feet.
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You have obviously never seen any of these camel hide sandals.. They last 30 years or more.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
sooda said:
Ancient Egyptians wore shoes of leather or straw (for children). The sandals made from Camel hide lasted for years and they did smell bad so people soaked them for a week in water in the sun.
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Do you have a link on these ancient Egyptian camel hide sandals?
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
Lol. I would like a link to read about the ancient Egyptian ones.
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  1. Ancient Egyptian Sandals - The Pharaohs Mag
    June 2013ancient-egyptian-sandals.html
    The ancient Egyptians began wearing sandals during the early years of the New Kingdom rule. The sandals used by these people were very simple and were made either by using straw, reeds or leather. The wealthy people wore leather sandals and these lasted for a longer time than the sandals which were made using straw or reeds.


  2. What were ancient Egyptian sandals made of - answers.com
    Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questionsancient_Egyptian_sandals_made_of
    Ancient Egyptians generally went barefoot even the Pharaoh. When they did wear shoes it was normally sandals made from papyrus or leather. They were only worn on special occasions or to …


  3. Ancient Egyptian Sandals and Shoes - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRqXFNSFYY
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    4:16
    Jan 21, 2017 · The ancient Egyptians began wearing sandals during the early years of the New Kingdom rule. The sandals used by these people were very simple and were made either by using straw, reeds or leather.
    • Author: About Egypt
    • Views: 2.2K
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
sooda said:
  1. Ancient Egyptian Sandals - The Pharaohs Mag
    June 2013ancient-egyptian-sandals.html
    The ancient Egyptians began wearing sandals during the early years of the New Kingdom rule. The sandals used by these people were very simple and were made either by using straw, reeds or leather. The wealthy people wore leather sandals and these lasted for a longer time than the sandals which were made using straw or reeds.


  2. What were ancient Egyptian sandals made of - answers.com
    Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questionsancient_Egyptian_sandals_made_of
    Ancient Egyptians generally went barefoot even the Pharaoh. When they did wear shoes it was normally sandals made from papyrus or leather. They were only worn on special occasions or to …


  3. Ancient Egyptian Sandals and Shoes - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRqXFNSFYY
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    4:16
    Jan 21, 2017 · The ancient Egyptians began wearing sandals during the early years of the New Kingdom rule. The sandals used by these people were very simple and were made either by using straw, reeds or leather.
    • Author: About Egypt
    • Views: 2.2K
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So the poor that built the pyramids didn't wear them I assume.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
sooda said:
I don't know.. Apparently they were national projects .. and ordinary Egyptians worked on them between planting seasons. Egypt didn't have a lot of slaves.
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The poor, not slaves. I've wanderered what they wore on their feet while cutting and dragging those stones vast distances.
 
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