Hormone Therapy

InChrist · May 25, 2019

Is it really safe and/or healthy or are health dangers increased? Are the risks worth it? What about in the cases of children or young people, and the impact on future health?

Hormone therapy may increase cardiovascular risk during gender transition

Cross-sex “trans” hormone treatments are ruining people’s lives: heart disease, cardiovascular damage, and deep vein clots among horrific side effects

Trans women on hormones have higher heart health risk, study finds

Estro Felino · May 25, 2019

That is why I waited until my 30s.

Yes...it is a hell. Transitioning is not a game...but I did it because my main goal was having the genital organs I identify with, so taking hormones was indispensable.

Once they remove your genitals, your body cannot produce inhibin any more...so there is not any feedback mechanism that regulates hormones levels.
This means I must not take too much estradiol...but too little can be harmful as well.

After surgery FSH and LH are the hormones which are checked the most by the endocrinologist. Prolactine as well.

Estro Felino · May 25, 2019

Complications can be countless...but it is really worth it...

The male me has never existed...my real life begins when I woke up after my surgery

ADigitalArtist · May 25, 2019

My run of the mill hormone therapy to combat PCOS has side effects including strain on my gallbladder and kidneys, blood sugar abnormality and higher risk of ulceration, blood clots, strokes and cardiovascular risk.

But the alternative, for me, is worse. I'll take the risk as well as lifestyle choices to lower those risks than take the mental and physical challenges of unmedicated PCOS.
I imagine many if not most transgendered individuals feel the same.

SomeRandom · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
Is it really safe and/or healthy or are health dangers increased? Are the risks worth it? What about in the cases of children or young people, and the impact on future health?

Hormone therapy may increase cardiovascular risk during gender transition

Cross-sex “trans” hormone treatments are ruining people’s lives: heart disease, cardiovascular damage, and deep vein clots among horrific side effects

Trans women on hormones have higher heart health risk, study finds

Well literally anything remotely related to medicine will have dangers. You could die having wisdom teeth removed. Your first link suggests that the researchers themselves didn’t accurately account for many factors, such as smoking. And added in that there are indeed other psychological factors to take into consideration.
Though it is true we must continue to study and tweak as needed for safety concerns.
Your second link had some very obvious bias and a clear agenda. The third stressed that this should not be used to deny people hormone therapy.

So a case of more in-depth study perhaps?

Twilight Hue · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
Is it really safe and/or healthy or are health dangers increased? Are the risks worth it? What about in the cases of children or young people, and the impact on future health?

Hormone therapy may increase cardiovascular risk during gender transition

Cross-sex “trans” hormone treatments are ruining people’s lives: heart disease, cardiovascular damage, and deep vein clots among horrific side effects

Trans women on hormones have higher heart health risk, study finds

I can't help but think of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly.

Revoltingest · May 25, 2019

Nowhere Man said:
I can't help but think of Jeff Goldblum in The Fly.

Odd...I never thought of it as an erotic movie.
But hey...who am I to judge.

Deeje · May 25, 2019

Also interesting is that so many people are taking hormones and are ingesting them in food, that tons of these synthetic hormones make their way into ocean outfalls via the sewerage treatment works.....Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals are also leaching into landfill from chemical pollutants, affecting the creatures we share this planet with and the balance is being disrupted in ways not foreseen apparently. .

"Introduction

There is growing concern that declines in wildlife populations and loss of species as well as increasing incidences of hormone-related diseases in humans are linked to chemicals interfering with the endocrine (hormone) system known as endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs) [1]. Disruption of the endocrine system can result in various developmental, reproductive, neurological, immune and metabolic diseases [1-3]. Over the past years, an increasing number of ubiquitous chemicals have been identified to have endocrine disrupting properties to which humans and wildlife are consequently exposed [1-3]. These include well known persistent organic pollutants that are restricted in the Western World, such as PCBs and DDT, as well as chemicals in current use, including phthalates used in plastics and personal care products, brominated flame retardants and perflouorinated compounds. Some EDCs are known to cause effects at the present levels found in biota and the environment [1, 2]. This is disconcerting since the survival of species depends on normal development and successful reproduction for which a healthy endocrine system is a prerequisite."

https://balticeye.org/globalassets/...nen/edcs-in-the-marine-environment-report.pdf

The earth itself and all future life may be adversely affected because the fall-out in the environment has not been carefully evaluated. Is the price for our comfort and convenience too high?

Shadow Wolf · May 25, 2019

We are made to be aware of the side effects. They are some serious ones. But they are better than what one can expect of a life combining anger and bitterness and resentment and regret with the fundamental inability to care about life. I might die of a heart attack, but id rather loses a life I want to have than try to end an unwanted life.
Myself, I used to drink heavily but now rarely drink, and when I do its no more than a drink or two and never to drunkenness; I no longer engage in criminal activities; I went from barely graduating high school to graduating college cum laude with honors and distinctions; I went from aimlessly drifting through life and wanting it to end to making and achieving goals and enjoying being alive.
So, yeah, I'll take a side risk of blood clots. At least I'm not doing dumb and wreckless things anymore.

InChrist · May 25, 2019

Deeje said:
Also interesting is that so many people are taking hormones and are ingesting them in food, that tons of these synthetic hormones make their way into ocean outfalls via the sewerage treatment works.....Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals are also leaching into landfill from chemical pollutants, affecting the creatures we share this planet with and the balance is being disrupted in ways not foreseen apparently. .

"Introduction

There is growing concern that declines in wildlife populations and loss of species as well as increasing incidences of hormone-related diseases in humans are linked to chemicals interfering with the endocrine (hormone) system known as endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs) [1]. Disruption of the endocrine system can result in various developmental, reproductive, neurological, immune and metabolic diseases [1-3]. Over the past years, an increasing number of ubiquitous chemicals have been identified to have endocrine disrupting properties to which humans and wildlife are consequently exposed [1-3]. These include well known persistent organic pollutants that are restricted in the Western World, such as PCBs and DDT, as well as chemicals in current use, including phthalates used in plastics and personal care products, brominated flame retardants and perflouorinated compounds. Some EDCs are known to cause effects at the present levels found in biota and the environment [1, 2]. This is disconcerting since the survival of species depends on normal development and successful reproduction for which a healthy endocrine system is a prerequisite."

https://balticeye.org/globalassets/...nen/edcs-in-the-marine-environment-report.pdf

The earth itself and all future life may be adversely affected because the fall-out in the environment has not been carefully evaluated. Is the price for our comfort and convenience too high?

I have read information concerning this issue and do think this is a major problem in the food system and water supply. Thanks for the link.

InChrist · May 25, 2019

Estro Felino said:
That is why I waited until my 30s.

Yes...it is a hell. Transitioning is not a game...but I did it because my main goal was having the genital organs I identify with, so taking hormones was indispensable.

Once they remove your genitals, your body cannot produce inhibin any more...so there is not any feedback mechanism that regulates hormones levels.
This means I must not take too much estradiol...but too little can be harmful as well.

After surgery FSH and LH are the hormones which are controlled the most by the endocrinologist. Prolactine as well.

Thanks for your thoughts and experiences. Hopefully, you can manage to keep things balanced.

InChrist · May 25, 2019

ADigitalArtist said:
My run of the mill hormone therapy to combat PCOS has side effects including strain on my gallbladder and kidneys, blood sugar abnormality and higher risk of ulceration, blood clots, strokes and cardiovascular risk.

But the alternative, for me, is worse. I'll take the risk as well as lifestyle choices to lower those risks than take the mental and physical challenges of unmedicated PCOS.
I imagine many if not most transgendered individuals feel the same.

Thank you for sharing your experience on the subject. I hope you will not have to deal with any of the possible side effects. Have you tried or looked into alternative natural ways of managing PCOS?

InChrist · May 25, 2019

Shadow Wolf said:
We are made to be aware of the side effects. They are some serious ones. But they are better than what one can expect of a life combining anger and bitterness and resentment and regret with the fundamental inability to care about life. I might die of a heart attack, but id rather loses a life I want to have than try to end an unwanted life.
Myself, I used to drink heavily but now rarely drink, and when I do its no more than a drink or two and never to drunkenness; I no longer engage in criminal activities; I went from barely graduating high school to graduating college cum laude with honors and distinctions; I went from aimlessly drifting through life and wanting it to end to making and achieving goals and enjoying being alive.
So, yeah, I'll take a side risk of blood clots. At least I'm not doing dumb and wreckless things anymore.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences. Glad to hear that your not being as wreckless and enjoying your life now. Hopefully, you will not have to deal with negative side effects.

The Hammer · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
Is it really safe and/or healthy or are health dangers increased? Are the risks worth it? What about in the cases of children or young people, and the impact on future health?

Hormone therapy may increase cardiovascular risk during gender transition

Cross-sex “trans” hormone treatments are ruining people’s lives: heart disease, cardiovascular damage, and deep vein clots among horrific side effects

Trans women on hormones have higher heart health risk, study finds

Taking steroids of any type (like testosterone) increases the risk of cardiovascular disease and a myriad of other health concerns regardless of the biological (chromosomal) sex of the person. I've been on Testosterone (as a man) replacement therapy for a couple years now, and have to be checked regularly, as with any treatment me and my doctor's decided that the benefits outweighed the risks, as I had severe bone demineralization).

The point I'm making is it is for the doctor and the patient to decide on a best course of action, individually tailored to the health of the individual.
Regardless of the reason hormone replacement is occuring.

Ellen Brown · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
Is it really safe and/or healthy or are health dangers increased? Are the risks worth it? What about in the cases of children or young people, and the impact on future health?

Hormone therapy may increase cardiovascular risk during gender transition

Cross-sex “trans” hormone treatments are ruining people’s lives: heart disease, cardiovascular damage, and deep vein clots among horrific side effects

Trans women on hormones have higher heart health risk, study finds

The facts are, that MtF folk on hormones are expected to live 15 years longer because they are free of the deleterious effect of Testosterone. Transitioned MTF folk take a very low level of Estrogen to stave off Osteoporosis. I'm 72 now ...

As to FtM folk, yes the Testosterone is very hard on their bodies. When I was keeping track of this sort of thing, it seemed that many FtM folk changed because they wanted to feel male power. As to MtF folk, frankly I think some of it is a sort of delusional state.

As for me, I am XXY, AIS, Non Kleinfelter's so never was a great representation of a male. No, I do not seem to connect with MtF folk very well, nor do I seem to relate to the LGBTIQ community. And, it is really painful having the condemning, judgmental pseudo Christians who don't know their posteriors from a hot rock running around just causing more pain. One even suggested that I get my natural breasts cut off and live as a male. So, "In Christ", perhaps you'd want to just pray for yourself and leave others alone?

Enoch07 · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
I have read information concerning this issue and do think this is a major problem in the food system and water supply. Thanks for the link.

The hormone issue is a real issue. But it's mostly from birth control pills, not hormones from trans people. Very very small number of trans vs number of women on birth control pill.

This winds up in our wastewater (sewage), which is processed to remove most solids, and then treated with chlorine/ammonia/UV light to kill germs before releasing the water back into the wild.

Through all these processes the hormones escape and we haven't implemented a way to remove them properly yet. So they go back into the ecosystem where other animals drink that water, and people down stream also drink that water after it has been processed by a water treatment plant to make the water potable.

Even then still the hormones remain and go back into people. Who then take more birth control, who then use the bathroom, and the cycle starts over again.

Now that being said the data is inconclusive so far what the effect will be on humans, but it might be related to lower birth rates in some animals near sources of water with high estrogen levels.

Estrogen In Drinking Water: How To Remove It?

The Reverend Bob · May 25, 2019

Chemotherapy has all sorts of risks and dangers, would you recommend that we should prohibit the use of chemotherapy for young people with cancer?

InChrist · May 25, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
The facts are, that MtF folk on hormones are expected to live 15 years longer because they are free of the deleterious effect of Testosterone. Transitioned MTF folk take a very low level of Estrogen to stave off Osteoporosis. I'm 72 now ...

As to FtM folk, yes the Testosterone is very hard on their bodies. When I was keeping track of this sort of thing, it seemed that many FtM folk changed because they wanted to feel male power. As to MtF folk, frankly I think some of it is a sort of delusional state.

As for me, I am XXY, AIS, Non Kleinfelter's so never was a great representation of a male. No, I do not seem to connect with MtF folk very well, nor do I seem to relate to the LGBTIQ community. And, it is really painful having the condemning, judgmental pseudo Christians who don't know their posteriors from a hot rock running around just causing more pain. One even suggested that I get my natural breasts cut off and live as a male. So, "In Christ", perhaps you'd want to just pray for yourself and leave others alone?

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I haven't condemned you, have I?

InChrist · May 25, 2019

The Reverend Bob said:
Chemotherapy has all sorts of risks and dangers, would you recommend that we should prohibit the use of chemotherapy for young people with cancer?

I don't recall saying I thought hormone therapy should be prohibited.

The Reverend Bob · May 25, 2019

InChrist said:
I don't recall saying I thought hormone therapy should be prohibited.

So what do you propose should be done for a young person suffering from gender dysphoria? This is a complex issue.

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