Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast

YeshuaBought said:

While I disagree with obama on several issues, I just don't see it.

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sooda said:

These weird accusations have always come from the futurists. Most of them don't know that Isaiah is mostly talking about Cyrus and the end of the Babylonian exile.

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YeshuaBought said:

I am a futurist, and I don't make accusations about political people, just feeling confused by this.

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sooda said:

The “sea” is a good metaphor because it is an unstable and dangerous place. In contrast, the “land” of Revelation represents the people of God. The “beast” of Revelation 13:2 comes out of the “sea,” meaning that this beast comes from the world.

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Muffled said:

I believe if one has two nations the plural applies. If it said al the nations it would be different. The ten horns suggests that there are ten nations one for each horn. So in my opinion that doesn't qualify as the United Nations or the European Union since that is around 14 the last time I counted. Whoops Wikipedia says 28. I am behind the times, lol.

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OtherSheep said:

Nope. Same beast. There's only two. One is the False Prophet... hint.

Which Prophet makes people worship an international power?
Which Power decapitates people who refuse to worship their god?
When was the thing built and standing in the holy place, causing the people who follow the Law and the Prophets to flee?

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YeshuaBought said:

I am a futurist, and I don't make accusations about political people, just feeling confused by this.

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sooda said:

Look at the first century Roman Empire and stop letting Hal Lindsey do your thinking for you.

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Muffled said:

I believe the only person is the Anti-Christ and he isn't in this passage. He is in Rev. 12.

I believe thee is none yet. If you were thinking of Muhammad, I don't see him in Rev. He could be the one in Daniel but I would think the military successor is a more likely figure worshiping the god of war more that the one true God.

I believe a few deceived extremists do not account for the whole.

I believe it is never about that but is about a rebuilt temple being defiled.

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OtherSheep said:

True. The woman is described as siting upon waters, and the waters are described as peoples... and the woman is described as siting upon the beast.
The waters = the people = the beast.

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Muffled said:

I believe the question of "sitting upon" needs to be addressed. It doesn't make sense that the woman is literally sitting on people but when it comes to nations proximity could be considered that. Since one sits on the back of the beast one would expect it to be on the north side but not above the head. I have heard another preacher say the same thing that the beast is the Arab league and the Harlot is Israel.

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sooda said:

Revelation says there is NO temple because Jesus is the Temple . Rebuilding the third certainly turned into a disaster for emperor Julian.

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sooda said:

Your preachers are ignorant. There was no Arab league but a lot of the legions under Titus and Vespasion were Roman citizens from countries near Palestine.

Israel is the whore of Babylon riding the coat tails of the beast. Some Jews colluded with Rome and others had become Hellenized.

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Muffled said:

I believe you have a dispositional problem, The end has not come yet and the Arab League exists now.

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Muffled said:

I believe you have a dispositional problem. In the Kingdom of God there is no temple.

II Thes. 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness2 is revealed, the son of destruction,3 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

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Muffled said:

I believe the only person is the Anti-Christ and he isn't in this passage. He is in Rev. 12.

I believe thee is none yet. If you were thinking of Muhammad, I don't see him in Rev. He could be the one in Daniel but I would think the military successor is a more likely figure worshiping the god of war more that the one true God.

I believe a few deceived extremists do not account for the whole.

I believe it is never about that but is about a rebuilt temple being defiled.

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OtherSheep said:

In fact the two beasts have to be institutions, since they're judged long before the white throne. John says all people are antichrist who don't believe God came in the flesh and/or was able to sin and did not. THE antichrist is the high priest of the International Empire.

Solomon's temple was made by Hiram the HIttite and his masons.
The 2nd temple was re-made by Babylonians... if they had strange wives in Palestine, they had them before, in Babylon.
The 3rd temple was made by a Roman Edomite.
How do you know that the Dome isn't the 4th?
The people who believed God saw the time to flee this new Babylon, already?
The people who return from Babylon in the future will see people as their own gods? Or the mark of the beast in the heart of man.
If the Kingdom of God is within you, your heart is a holy place; the abomination is a false god living in your heart.

A god of fortresses is linked to having a covenant with death and hell (Isaiah 28).
The overflowing scourge will take them, nevertheless. These days, I'd have to say that scourge is either Turkish Islam, or the Celtic Nations being led by aliens. What the Ottomans were stopped from doing by the Arabs of Laurence, has gone on uninterrupted ever since. Albion isn't duplicitous, but England certainly is. International Law kills sovereign nations, strips the gold and silver from their dead hands by International Bankers, and turns them into welfare nations, unable to feed themselves. Had I to guess, I'd call the UN the first beast.

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Muffled said:

I believe the question of "sitting upon" needs to be addressed. It doesn't make sense that the woman is literally sitting on people but when it comes to nations proximity could be considered that. Since one sits on the back of the beast one would expect it to be on the north side but not above the head. I have heard another preacher say the same thing that the beast is the Arab league and the Harlot is Israel.

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OtherSheep said:

The woman controls the first beast, via trade because the kings are merchants who throw dust on their heads, when Gomer and his hordes destroy her at God's command. The death of the woman creates a vacuum.

The woman was Jezebel who is tossed onto a bed of harlotry, and her children into the great tribulation. The woman isn't part of the churches, but she ruins them by teaching them Spiritual Adultery. So they are worshipping God under the doctrines the alien Jezebel gave them.("But I say unto you") That makes them the blasphemers of God. The kingdoms have this name of blasphemy upon them. Jesus says He knows the blasphemy, in Revelation 2+3.

Israel is a name that belongs to the 10 northern tribes. Judah had only the crown, after the Divided Kingdom; Jesus has the crown now. "Your house is left unto you destitute", without crown or king or God. "No man comes to the Father but by Me."

What is the name of Blasphemy?

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