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Judge blocks funds for wall

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
What happened in Hungary? A Fascist, repressive, xenophobic regime?
We've all seen where such shifts to the right might lead.

Hungary is an OECD high-income mixed economy with a very high human development index and a skilled labour force, with the 13th lowest income inequality in the world. ....:)

Economy of Hungary - Wikipedia

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Hungary expanded 1.50 percent in the first quarter of 2019 over the previous quarter. GDP Growth Rate in Hungary averaged 0.62 percent from 1995 until 2019.

Hungary’s unemployment rate fell to 3.6 percent in the first quarter of 2019 from 3.9 percent in the same period of the previous year, as the number of unemployed declined by 12.2 thousand to 12.2 thousand while employment increased by 62.9 thousand to 4.50 million. Meanwhile, labour force participation rate advanced to 62.8 percent from 62 percent a year earlier. Unemployment Rate in Hungary averaged 7.34 percent from 1999 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 11.80 percent in March of 2010 and a record low of 3.60 percent in June of 2018.

Hungary Unemployment Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A FAIR study in 2017 found illegal immigrants are a net consumer of taxpayer benefits worth more than $100 billion a year, not including the cost of enforcing the border.

Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions: experts

Link doesn't work. Is this it?: Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions: experts
Yes, illegal immigrants do consume public services, though usually at a lower rate than citizens, but doesn't their overall economic impact offset this?
There are dozens of studies and hundreds of articles like these, about the overall economic benefits of immigration:
https://psmag.com/social-justice/more-research-finds-that-immigrants-increase-economic-growth
https://immigrationforum.org/articl...migrant-tax-contributions-and-spending-power/
4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy
Subscribe to read | Financial Times
How immigration boosts American economic growth and innovation - AEI
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hungary is an OECD high-income mixed economy with a very high human development index and a skilled labour force, with the 13th lowest income inequality in the world. ....:)

Economy of Hungary - Wikipedia

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Hungary expanded 1.50 percent in the first quarter of 2019 over the previous quarter. GDP Growth Rate in Hungary averaged 0.62 percent from 1995 until 2019.
Hah! That's nothing compared to the rapid growth in 1930's Germany!
:rolleyes:
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
America's done fine with lax "border security" for 200 years. This sudden "crisis" is a political ploy, like the current anti-Iranian saber rattling. You're being duped. Your attention's being held by propaganda while the real tricks are happening elsewhere. The very point that border security is being likened to an invasion and equated to crime and economic hardship is a ruse.
The "invading immigrants" are not an economic threat to you. Corporatism and Imperialism are.

It's just math really, not politics on the immigrant problem. We have a finite amount of resources, they are doled out, if they are doled out more everyone gets less. And, to be fair, I've never seen as many illegals coming in as do now. It's just not the same situation, so past information is nearly irrelevant. I'm not even concerned in the slightest with the normal numbers of LEGAL immigrants to the country, but the problems the illegal ones bring. Legal immigrants are vetted, checked that they will not be a burden to society, and certainly would be someone I'd be welcoming personally if I knew them. There isn't a fine line between xenophobia and common sense, there is a vast one -- you cannot keep giving away all the resources it'll eventually run out. Immigration has to be strictly controlled, or bad things happen.

If you run a doughnut shop and advertise free doughnuts for a year you will run out of doughnuts a lot faster than that, same thing is happening now. So, you can either rapidly jack up taxes to pay for more "doughnuts" or realize free **** isn't a model for prosperity in the long run. Whatever the economic model this would eventually implode -- so you figure it out now, or when the entire economy buckles under the tax load and bread costs your entire paycheck.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
1930's Hitler genius, 1940's Hitler idiotic.

Completely true though, but I find it funny that the Dems and Socialists in general haven't learned the lesson -- socialism always sounds great at the beginning, and it even helps a country initially. But, then it goes bad... REALLY bad... fast.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Completely true though, but I find it funny that the Dems and Socialists in general haven't learned the lesson -- socialism always sounds great at the beginning, and it even helps a country initially. But, then it goes bad... REALLY bad... fast.
Yeah -- like in Scandinavia...:rolleyes:

It wasn't socialism that wrought the turmoil in the USSR and PRC.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Yeah -- like in Scandinavia...:rolleyes:

It wasn't socialism that wrought the turmoil in the USSR and PRC.

Nordic nations have privately owned companies in a free market economy where the government doesn't exert control or ownership of businesses, they are capitalist nations with a welfare state whereby the government-provides social safety net programs.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yeah -- like in Scandinavia...:rolleyes:

It wasn't socialism that wrought the turmoil in the USSR and PRC.

Scandinavia isn't all peaches and cream either... Extremely high tax rates do have an impact on the cost of living. Secondly, they have a quasi-socialist system with a free market, it's simply not an apples to apples comparison with neither Hitler's socialism, or the others you've mentioned. Norway is even stranger since a lot of the economy is actually a government managed oil fund that pays for a lot of these benefits. About the only thing I think the Scandinavians do better is college, after that, you can keep the healthcare rationing and stupidly high taxes -- not interested. Our system in the USA isn't perfect, but it's potentially better in every way if you manage your resources carefully and find a decent job with quality insurance. It's not like that there, not even close...
 
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