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Judge blocks funds for wall

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But, alas, only defense funds were blocked.

...and don't get me started on the absurdity of the adjective.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
WHAT???????Building was suppose to start today , not gonna get built I told yall!

Judge blocks funds from being used for wall, Trump cant start the wall! This is a temporary set back.
Federal judge blocks Trump from using Defense funds for parts of border wall - CNNPolitics

You sound happy about it, but do you realize it's "your money" and "your resources" that are going to support illegals crossing the border? Do you also realize building that wall is cheaper than paying their way? (A lot cheaper... like 100 billion cheaper, lol)

Party antics aside, if you think the wall is a bad idea you aren't informed enough about the expenses. No wall means a lot of money that could be helping our unfortunate people is diverted to a bunch a people who've not done a damn thing for the rest of us nor should even be entitled to it. We have enough problems we don't need Mexico's problems too.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Considering that he thinks of government money as being his to spend how he likes and the Constitution and laws to be problems to be eliminated, I'm glad to see him being stopped over and over.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You sound happy about it, but do you realize it's "your money" and "your resources" that are going to support illegals crossing the border? Do you also realize building that wall is cheaper than paying their way? (A lot cheaper... like 100 billion cheaper, lol)

Party antics aside, if you think the wall is a bad idea you aren't informed enough about the expenses. No wall means a lot of money that could be helping our unfortunate people is diverted to a bunch a people who've not done a damn thing for the rest of us nor should even be entitled to it. We have enough problems, we don't need Mexico's problems too.
I care about the rule of law rather than the whims of a dictator.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I care about the rule of law rather than the whims of a dictator.

A vast majority of Americans have always been behind good border security, so while Trump is playing out the length of his sword he's not using that power to to do anything the bulk of us didn't already want. These conversations have been going on since at least the early 90's in my awareness, both the Dems and Reps have both supported it actively on and off. The Dems currently pretend like they're against it, but I'm neither stupid nor forgetful -- if you're buying it, you've been duped. I think if you're a Dem I'd not like to think that you'd think it's OK that the working man/woman's livelihood is constantly under-threat by invading immigrants. (And, invading is exactly what they're doing... They're not asking permission to come here.) I know Dems like to give their money away for things they think they'll get from the government, but I doubt the majority want that money to go to people that don't even belong here when their actual neighbors are suffering. Really, that's all that happens here -- the taxes that could help our unfortunate folks here who've done the best they can is literally stolen away by thieves.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Considering that he thinks of government money as being his to spend how he likes and the Constitution and laws to be problems to be eliminated, I'm glad to see him being stopped over and over.

I happen to largely agree with the way Trump wants to spend our tax dollars, so I get very frustrated and disappointed when Trump approved spending programs along with our common good agenda have been stymied.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I happen to largely agree with the way Trump wants to spend our tax dollars, so I get very frustrated and disappointed when Trump approved spending programs along with our common good agenda have been stymied.
I was utterly frustrated by the way the Republican congress frustrated President Obama's agenda and the way the very large number of bills the House has passed this year are being stymied by McConnell. I'm also frustrated by the way the Senate treated President Obama's Supreme Court nomination after some Republicans said they could vote for the person he nominated. I'm frustrated by the way the current administration is doing things that harm the US both internally and internationally. I'm frustrated by the narcissistic immorality of Trump
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You sound happy about it, but do you realize it's "your money" and "your resources" that are going to support illegals crossing the border? Do you also realize building that wall is cheaper than paying their way? (A lot cheaper... like 100 billion cheaper, lol)
You don't think it's a good investment to bring in foreign labor?
Economists generally think this migrant labor is an economic boon.
Party antics aside, if you think the wall is a bad idea you aren't informed enough about the expenses. No wall means a lot of money that could be helping our unfortunate people is diverted to a bunch a people who've not done a damn thing for the rest of us nor should even be entitled to it. We have enough problems we don't need Mexico's problems too.
These are your human brothers and sisters, ethically entitled to the same moral consideration as your biological siblings.

A lot of American born have 'not done a damn thing' -- and are a greater drain of your tax dollars than these foreign workers.
These migrants support industries you depend on and, in a country with fewer and fewer workers supporting more and more elderly and disabled. They're what's keeping your taxes low.

These people are here because of American adventurism in Central America. They are the harvest we sowed. We owe them.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I was utterly frustrated by the way the Republican congress frustrated President Obama's agenda and the way the very large number of bills the House has passed this year are being stymied by McConnell. I'm also frustrated by the way the Senate treated President Obama's Supreme Court nomination after some Republicans said they could vote for the person he nominated. I'm frustrated by the way the current administration is doing things that harm the US both internally and internationally. I'm frustrated by the narcissistic immorality of Trump

Evidently, you are not a fellow Trump supporter. I didn't agree with Obama's political agenda, but at least I neither passed judgment against his personal traits nor against his lack of morality.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
You sound happy about it, but do you realize it's "your money" and "your resources" that are going to support illegals crossing the border? Do you also realize building that wall is cheaper than paying their way? (A lot cheaper... like 100 billion cheaper, lol)

Party antics aside, if you think the wall is a bad idea you aren't informed enough about the expenses. No wall means a lot of money that could be helping our unfortunate people is diverted to a bunch a people who've not done a damn thing for the rest of us nor should even be entitled to it. We have enough problems we don't need Mexico's problems too.
You are making the assumption that the wall will effectively stop people from crossing the border. I don’t think it will.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I happen to largely agree with the way Trump wants to spend our tax dollars, so I get very frustrated and disappointed when Trump approved spending programs along with our common good agenda have been stymied.
Wouldn't the greatest good be served by spending on healthcare, social programs, infrastructure, &c, rather than Empire and on corporate profits for the .001 percent? Isn't the 'common good' best served by spending tax dollars on the common people who paid them?

Low taxes are not good for the prosperity of 99.95% of the population.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Wouldn't the greatest good be served by spending on healthcare, social programs, infrastructure, &c, rather than Empire and on corporate profits for the .001 percent? Isn't the 'common good' best served by spending tax dollars on the common people who paid them?

Low taxes are not good for the prosperity of 99.95% of the population.

Unfortunately, opening up our borders to anybody who wants better education, health care, roads wouldn't be affordable. The common good of our nation is best served by a merit based legal immigration system and secured borders.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A vast majority of Americans have always been behind good border security, so while Trump is playing out the length of his sword he's not using that power to to do anything the bulk of us didn't already want. These conversations have been going on since at least the early 90's in my awareness, both the Dems and Reps have both supported it actively on and off. The Dems currently pretend like they're against it, but I'm neither stupid nor forgetful -- if you're buying it, you've been duped. I think if you're a Dem I'd not like to think that you'd think it's OK that the working man/woman's livelihood is constantly under-threat by invading immigrants. (And, invading is exactly what they're doing... They're not asking permission to come here.) I know Dems like to give their money away for things they think they'll get from the government, but I doubt the majority want that money to go to people that don't even belong here when their actual neighbors are suffering. Really, that's all that happens here -- the taxes that could help our unfortunate folks here who've done the best they can is literally stolen away by thieves.
America's done fine with lax "border security" for 200 years. This sudden "crisis" is a political ploy, like the current anti-Iranian saber rattling. You're being duped. Your attention's being held by propaganda while the real tricks are happening elsewhere. The very point that border security is being likened to an invasion and equated to crime and economic hardship is a ruse.
The "invading immigrants" are not an economic threat to you. Corporatism and Imperialism are.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Unfortunately, opening up our borders to anybody who wants better education, health care, roads wouldn't be affordable. The common good of our nation is best served by a merit based legal immigration system and secured borders.
Most of the current wave of Central American immigrants are not coming for education, healthcare or good roads (?!), They are coming because they are under threat. They are coming for the same reasons you would emigrate under similar circumstances.

Most economists say the immigrants are serving our 'common good', not diminishing it. They are less an expense than an asset.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Unfortunately, opening up our borders to anybody who wants better education, health care, roads wouldn't be affordable. The common good of our nation is best served by a merit based legal immigration system and secured borders.
But is building a physical wall the most cost effective way of doing that?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Most of the current wave of Central American immigrants are not coming for education, healthcare or good roads (?!), They are coming because they are under threat. They are coming for the same reasons you would emigrate under similar circumstances.

Most economists say the immigrants are serving our 'common good', not diminishing it. They are less an expense than an asset.

A FAIR study in 2017 found illegal immigrants are a net consumer of taxpayer benefits worth more than $100 billion a year, not including the cost of enforcing the border.

Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions: experts
 
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