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Fallacies of Evolution

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Subduction Zone

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..your obsession with my understanding is irrelevant, and kind of creepy. How about you abandon this fallacious line of 'reasoning', and go for the science? Can you? Dare you? Or, do you just prefer to obsess over my knowledge, education, hat size, or sexual preference? ;)

Show me ONE bit of evidence for this belief you defend with such zealous devotion. Ad homming over me, personally, is a deflection. A fallacious deflection.
It would do no good to give you any evidence at this point in time. You have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding about everything that you have posted. And please quit lying about others. No one has used an ad him against you.

So like it or not I am not giving you any evidence until you understand the concept. Don't worry, it is an easy concept, you can understand it. Scientific evidence are observations that support or oppose a scientific theory of hypothesis, usually of an empirical nature:

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

Does that sound reasonable to you?
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
hmm... got awful quiet at the first mentions of specific science, huh?
I'm still waiting for 'specific science.'

I don't debate links. If you have a point to make, make it. If you want to source your point with a link, fine.. i'll check it out. But merely flooding the thread with alleged links that you believe prove your point is not an argument. It is a deflection. A lazy deflection. If you want to debate the subject, do it. Present your arguments, evidence, & make your points. But links & assertions are not arguments or evidence.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I'm still waiting for 'specific science.'

I don't debate links. If you have a point to make, make it. If you want to source your point with a link, fine.. i'll check it out. But merely flooding the thread with alleged links that you believe prove your point is not an argument. It is a deflection. A lazy deflection. If you want to debate the subject, do it. Present your arguments, evidence, & make your points. But links & assertions are not arguments or evidence.
You asked for an example of a change in genetic information, I cited nylon eating bacteria... WITH link. Your hand waving dismissal without even referring to the example proves to me you have no interest in good faith discussion.

edit: I note you STILL haven't provided any examples of the claimed elements in the OP being included in any scientific curricula.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No problem. Obsess over me all you want. Ignore the topic, and stick with fallacies. That's really all you have, anyway.

Anyone else want to tackle the science, here? Or do we just get confirmation and illustration of the OP? Fallacies, only. No science.
Please, you do not understand science either. First the basics, then the evidence. Once you begin to understand evidence then we can quickly go over the scientific method. Then we can get on with the debate.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
It would do no good to give you any evidence at this point in time.
That's funny. :)

So, you prefer to rail on at me, personally, ignoring the topic, and pretend that isn't ad hom?

Rofl!!

No problem. I get it. You are in over your head. You believe in this very strongly, but don't have evidence for your beliefs.

This topic is very appropriate in a religion forum..
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Hey @Subduction Zone, why doi they do this, do you think? Are they really so naiive and ignorant as to think that they're going to come in with their "evolution sux lol!" science averse nonsense and convince us all that evolution is wrong? Do they really think evolution is as simple and simplistic as the strawman they've been taught? Are they just trolling? Seriously, what's their endgame?
 

usfan

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Your points have been refuted many times on this site, and in just plain good science without a religious agenda.

You're new here, but your argument is old and moldy, many have presented your Fundamentalist Christian before like @nPeace. Nothing new.
Still just a fallacy, for a rebuttal.

Care to tackle the science? Or is attacking the poster a better method to avoid the subject?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's funny. :)

So, you prefer to rail on at me, personally, ignoring the topic, and pretend that isn't ad hom?

Rofl!!

No problem. I get it. You are in over your head. You believe in this very strongly, but don't have evidence for your beliefs.

This topic is very appropriate in a religion forum..
No, I am trying to help you with the basics. Correcting your endless errors is not railing.

I gave you a definition of scientific evidence an a link. Are you running away?
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
Hey @Subduction Zone, why doi they do this, do you think? Are they really so naiive and ignorant as to think that they're going to come in with their "evolution sux lol!" science averse nonsense and convince us all that evolution is wrong? Do they really think evolution is as simple and simplistic as the strawman they've been taught? Are they just trolling? Seriously, what's their endgame?
Care to tackle the science? Or is attacking the poster a better method to avoid the subject?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
So, you prefer to rail on at me, personally, ignoring the topic, and pretend that isn't ad hom?
You appear to have no actual interest in discussing "the topic", as I've asked multiple times now for actual examples of the claims in the OP appearing in any academic scientific curricula and you refuse to respond.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hey @Subduction Zone, why doi they do this, do you think? Are they really so naiive and ignorant as to think that they're going to come in with their "evolution sux lol!" science averse nonsense and convince us all that evolution is wrong? Do they really think evolution is as simple and simplistic as the strawman they've been taught? Are they just trolling? Seriously, what's their endgame?
I don't know. He appears to be trolling at this point.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Care to tackle the science? Or is attacking the poster a better method to avoid the subject?
Twice now I've referred to specific science, and you have refused to engage. Multiple times I've asked for example of what you claim is taught in evolution in the OP, and nothing. You want to talk science, great. So talk. Stop making excuses and avoiding.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
I will repeat. This is a scientific exercise, requiring scientific methodology. Mixing in insults, ridicule, & avoiding the topic only shows ignorance. Make your points logically, backed with evidence, if you can. I realize this is frustrating, because you believe that there is 'tons of evidence' for the ToE, but when you read books or search for it, there is nothing. You will hear smug assertions, obfuscating terminology, designed to confuse & deflect, & demands to 'trust the really smart people,' as though this is so complex that mere laymen cannot possibly grasp it. But those are merely smokescreens.. dodges to deflect from the impotence of the evidence. That is why you find so much ad hominem in this topic.. it is a religious belief, & is defended with jihadist zeal. It is not simply a scientific theory of origins..
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I will repeat. This is a scientific exercise, requiring scientific methodology. Mixing in insults, ridicule, & avoiding the topic only shows ignorance. Make your points logically, backed with evidence, if you can. I realize this is frustrating, because you believe that there is 'tons of evidence' for the ToE, but when you read books or search for it, there is nothing. You will hear smug assertions, obfuscating terminology, designed to confuse & deflect, & demands to 'trust the really smart people,' as though this is so complex that mere laymen cannot possibly grasp it. But those are merely smokescreens.. dodges to deflect from the impotence of the evidence. That is why you find so much ad hominem in this topic.. it is a religious belief, & is defended with jihadist zeal. It is not simply a scientific theory of origins..
And still you aren't engaging with the science I referenced, nor giving examples to prove the claims you made in the OP. You claim you want to talk science? Well put up or shut up.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
You appear to have no actual interest in discussing "the topic", as I've asked multiple times now for actual examples of the claims in the OP appearing in any academic scientific curricula and you refuse to respond.
I am going to 'refuse to respond!', soon, if no science, rebuttal points, or topical replies are made, just dogpiles of hysterical ad hom from religious fanatics.

Put up the science, or go away. Hecklers and disrupters are not useful in this debate.

If i stop replying to anyone, it is because there are no logical points being made, just disruption and deflection.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I will repeat. This is a scientific exercise, requiring scientific methodology. Mixing in insults, ridicule, & avoiding the topic only shows ignorance. Make your points logically, backed with evidence, if you can. I realize this is frustrating, because you believe that there is 'tons of evidence' for the ToE, but when you read books or search for it, there is nothing. You will hear smug assertions, obfuscating terminology, designed to confuse & deflect, & demands to 'trust the really smart people,' as though this is so complex that mere laymen cannot possibly grasp it. But those are merely smokescreens.. dodges to deflect from the impotence of the evidence. That is why you find so much ad hominem in this topic.. it is a religious belief, & is defended with jihadist zeal. It is not simply a scientific theory of origins..
You have no basis for complaint. You have demonstrated that you do not even have a high school level of science literacy. That is why I am trying to bring you up to speed. The concepts needed to understand evolution are relatively simple. You should be able to learn them. But as long as you are running away you will not learn anything.

Now I posted about evidence for you, next is the scientific method. This image is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method:

2013-updated_scientific-method-steps_v6_noheader.png
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I am going to 'refuse to respond!', soon, if no science, rebuttal points, or topical replies are made, just dogpiles of hysterical ad hom from religious fanatics.

Put up the science, or go away. Hecklers and disrupters are not useful in this debate.

If i stop replying to anyone, it is because there are no logical points being made, just disruption and deflection.
I put up the science. You refuse to engage with it. You also refused multiple requests to clarify your OP. You have proved you have no interest in actual discussion. I don't know what you think you're achieving, frankly, I find this drive by trolling baffling, but I can with clear conscience say I made every possible attempt to try to have a good faith discussion with you. You're obviously not interested, so I'll leave you to it. Bye.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
Ok, some of you will be considered hecklers, unwilling (or unable) to intelligently debate the issue, and just disrupt with antifa like hysteria. Don't expect a reply from me, as you heckle from the sidelines.

And, you may well shut down sny intelligent discussion of this subject, which seems to be the goal..
 
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