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Is Abortion Murder?

Is abortion murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 24.0%
  • No

    Votes: 38 76.0%

  • Total voters
    50

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Natural News - Wikipedia

Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a conspiracy website[2] that sells various dietary supplements, and promotes alternative medicine, controversial nutrition and health claims,[3] fake news,[4][5][6] and various conspiracy theories,[7] such as "chemtrails",[2]chemophobic claims ...
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
lol, infowars? I don’t even have to look that one up to know it is garbage.
Even the Infowars article says this right in it ...

"To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi’s flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports — it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company’s blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter."
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Even the Infowars article says this right in it ...

"To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi’s flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports — it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company’s blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter."
And even that much I am skeptical of. Even if it were true I wouldn’t care, but I need a better source of information.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Infowars now? Come on.
Do you have anything that didn't come from a conspiracy site?
Better than CNN, Imo, it government agency rule and it makes it early easy to find, and Pepsi responded promising to stop that 'research'. All tells me that event really occurred no matter who reports it.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Even the Infowars article says this right in it ...

"To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi’s flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports — it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company’s blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter."
There is a long list of companies as big as Pepsi doing this for years. I hold it true information based of what I read. You can do whatever you want with it.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Better than CNN, Imo, it government agency rule and it makes it early easy to find, and Pepsi responded promising to stop that 'research'. All tells me that event really occurred no matter who reports it.
Conspiracy theory sites are garbage. I have no idea why you accept them over mainstream news outlets.

Also, did you note this paragraph, from your Infowars source?

"To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi’s flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports — it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company’s blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter."

Sorry, but your own source shows that your original claim isn't true.
Your original claim being, "Aborted sold to medical research, some food co put small amounts as taste enhancer. Chocolate, soft drinks."
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Again, late term abortions are only carried out in the case of a medical emergency where the fetus and/or mother will not live. In such cases, they are medically necessary.
Simply not true. Roe v Wade puts no restriction on abortion at any point during the pregnancy.

The baby may be killed, and is, during a so called partial birth abortions, which have no bearing on anyones health.

Many millions have been killed in second and third trimester abortions. Babies from botched abortions are routinely left to die without any care, infanticide as articulated and supported by Virginia´s governor.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Simply not true. Roe v Wade puts no restriction on abortion at any point during the pregnancy.

The baby may be killed, and is, during a so called partial birth abortions, which have no bearing on anyones health.

Many millions have been killed in second and third trimester abortions. Babies from botched abortions are routinely left to die without any care, infanticide as articulated and supported by Virginia´s governor.
What I said is true.

Your claims are sensationalized misrepresentations.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
To abort means to stop before it gets productively started. Murder means the killing of a person by another person with malice and no legal authority or justification. An embryo is not a person yet, by any reckoning. A fetus is not recognized as a person yet, and is in a parasitical relationship with its host, so murder would not fit. The host may designate the fetus as a welcomed guest and offer protection and sanctuary, or the host may designate the fetus as an unwelcomed parasitical intruder. Until that designation is made by the host, it is in a state of uncertainty and limbo, and the word "abort" would be more fitting, as it has not yet become a person.
Then tell how in most, if not all states killing a pregnant woman results in being charged with two counts of murder ? Can you murder something that isn´t a person ?

Roe v Wade stated that for the purpose of abortion, an unborn baby was not a person. However, the ruling also stated that with advancements in medicine the issue may be revisited.

What makes a person a person ? That is the question that must be established. As the law stands now, a woman who has given birth to a very premature baby that is on an NICU, is guilty of murder if she comes onto the unit and stabs her child, yet another mother in the same hospital can have a full term baby partly born, stabbed in the brain, with no consequences.

People can be parasites in a variety of ways, unable to care for themselves being the most common. So killing them is the appropriate response if the person responsible for them finds them inconvenient ? Your logic applied.

Your definition of an unborn baby as an unwelcome parasitical intruder causes me to think that the baby is most likely the result of a much welcomed intruder. It had no choice or responsibility in the matter
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
What I said is true.

Your claims are sensationalized misrepresentations.
Nope, I know the decision very well. Refute me, if you think you can.

Some abortionists or facilities may have policies, but those aren´t law.

An abortionist can always be found to legally take the life of the unborn baby at any stage of the pregnancy.

Assuage your conscience with the myth if you must, but it is just a myth.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Conspiracy theory sites are garbage. I have no idea why you accept them over mainstream news outlets.

Also, did you note this paragraph, from your Infowars source?

"To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi’s flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports — it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company’s blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter."

Sorry, but your own source shows that your original claim isn't true.
Your original claim being, "Aborted sold to medical research, some food co put small amounts as taste enhancer. Chocolate, soft drinks."
Well, allow me not to believe their statement, they used it, but suppose they just texted it....idea itself worth Mengele.
 

leov

Well-Known Member

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
According to the fact that it is in a symbiotic relationship with the mother and will not survive outside of her until it achieve a certain period of gestation. When it is no longer dependent upon her then it is an individual

conjoined twins are considered separate individuals in terms of rights and obligations, even though they depend upon one another for life.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Small amounts of what?

And please be good enough to provide support for your views.
I do appreciate you providing support for your views. However, an article in https://www.naturalnews.com is not exactly from a reliable unbiased source.

Did you not notice how they twist things...

(Natural News) Every time you purchase mass-produced processed "food" from the likes of Kraft, PepsiCo, or Nestle, you're choosing, whether you realize it or not, to feed your family not only genetically engineered poisons and chemical additives, but also various flavoring agents manufactured using the tissue of aborted human babies.

It's true: A company based out of California, known as Senomyx, is in the business of using aborted embryonic cells to test fake flavoring chemicals, both savory and sweet, which are then added to things like soft drinks, candy and cookies.​

The first paragraph implies that "tissue of aborted human babies" is fed to humans. But read it carefully. That is not what it actually says.

The second paragraph implies that "aborted embryonic cells" are "added to things like soft drinks, candy and cookies". Again, read it carefully. That is not what it says.

You stated...
Aborted sold to medical research, some food co put small amounts as taste enhancer. Chocolate, soft drinks.

You were suckered in by a headline and a cleverly worded article and now you are convinced that you are eating stuff from fetuses. You fell for right-wing conservative anti-abortion propaganda. Why do you think that happened?
 
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