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Is Abortion Murder?

Is abortion murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 24.0%
  • No

    Votes: 38 76.0%

  • Total voters
    50

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
So, you're okay with abortion, it just depends on timing?
Too many trees doesn't seem to be a problem. Too many humans bought up in environments where they are not wanted can be.

Yes. I have no qualms with the 99.99 percent of abortions that are first or early second trimester abortions. I'd certainly like to see every child be a planned and wanted child.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
There's zero evidence human consciousness extends beyond the our mind's cerebral life dependent upon its bodily functions.

"Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation."

When Does Consciousness Arise in Human Babies?


This physical world supplies so much sensory input that it is easy to become seduced into thinking that is all there is.

Perhaps, if you work on discovering who you really are, you might stumble on the evidence you claim does not exist.

Talk with the very youngest of children. Many can still tell the difference between the physical and who they really are.

Perhaps a good start for you would be to find a dark quiet comfortable room where you can block out all sensory input. Focus inward. Say to yourself. It's me. You might just be surprised what you remember and what you have been ignoring.

Discovery takes being open to all possibilities and never thinking all the answers are already known. This might be your big opportunity.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
This physical world supplies so much sensory input that it is easy to become seduced into thinking that is all there is.

Perhaps, if you work on discovering who you really are, you might stumble on the evidence you claim does not exist.

Talk with the very youngest of children. Many can still tell the difference between the physical and who they really are.

Perhaps a good start for you would be to find a dark quiet comfortable room where you can block out all sensory input. Focus inward. Say to yourself. It's me. You might just be surprised what you remember and what you have been ignoring.

Discovery takes being open to all possibilities and never thinking all the answers are already known. This might be your big opportunity.

I've personally experienced an out of body experience, which happened to me when I was 13 years old. It happened immediately after I had a fainting spell from hyperventilating and holding my breath in such a way that I'd forced myself to pass out. When I woke up from this fainting spell, I was floating outside and above my body. While I was floating outside and above my body, everything in the room started spinning around me and then became brightly illuminated with a blinding white light which blinded me until I descended back into my body.

I initially believed my out of body experience was a spiritual experience, but now I believe this was an altered state of consciousness where I was vividly able to project myself and immediate surroundings from the perspective of being a close distance around the outside of my body.

 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes. I have no qualms with the 99.99 percent of abortions that are first or early second trimester abortions. I'd certainly like to see every child be a planned and wanted child.

Cool. Then I shall stuff my preconceptions where they belong (ie. The bin)
 

ecco

Veteran Member
So, I will ask again, is it murder? And why or why not?
No.
mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.


hu·man be·ing
noun
a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.​
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I was not able to verify information, but tend to believe that they do it, not a big surprise, a few people claim that it is true, if I've seen some law suits against the claims....
those claims
Wait, so if you're not able to verify the information, what is your belief that they do it based on?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
According to the fact that it is in a symbiotic relationship with the mother and will not survive outside of her until it achieve a certain period of gestation. When it is no longer dependent upon her then it is an individual
Why do you think this is a standard ? Babyś have a symbiotic relationship with their parents for years.

The legal standard is personhood, not individuality. What makes a person a person ? In most states, if you kill a pregnant woman, you legally have committed two murders. How can you be found guilty of two murders unless you have killed two people/persons ?

In Roe v Wade, the decision allowing unfettered abortion in the US, the court ruled that for purposes of abortion, only, unborn babies were not persons. Yet the court also said that if advances in medicine, science, and technology proved otherwise, the issue should be revisited.

Medicine now has proven that around the beginning of the second trimester, the unborn have all the physical characteristics of persons, they move, they have a beating heart, they have brain activity, and they feel pain. They are not part of the mothers body, they have a totally different genetic makeup than she and can even have a different blood type.

The Alabama law along with the others has one goal in mind, to get the supreme court to revisit the issue.

Since many pro abortion legal scholars consider Roe a terribly flawed application of the law, many believe the supremes will have to modify it.

Abortion won´t end, but will be restricted to the very early months. That is the pro life hope
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Wait, so if you're not able to verify the information, what is your belief that they do it based on?
It is reported news, like all news today it may be fake, I have no way to verify it except web search and what I found so far looks positive that it is true.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It is reported news, like all news today it may be fake, I have no way to verify it except web search and what I found so far looks positive that it is true.
Do you have a better source than Natural News?
Sorry, but I don't consider that to be a valid news site for factual information. I've seen too much crap on there in the past.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I was not able to verify information, but tend to believe that they do it, not a big surprise, a few people claim that it is true, if I've seen some law suits against the claims....
those claims
I am highly skeptical.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Do you have a better source than Natural News?
Sorry, but I don't consider that to be a valid news site for factual information. I've seen too much crap on there in the past.
It is your right. There is a lot more if you look, I gave just an example.
 
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